Who wants to learn cash game strategy?

[Sark79]

This may be moving away from the subject a little,  forgive me if it is.   I have always wondered if there is any skill in Stud H/L?   Most of the tables are empty on the sites I play.  Is this due to there being better potential earning at other games or down to the fact it is more of a luck game? 

I will try that Lee

[totalise]

This may be moving away from the subject a little,  forgive me if it is.   I have always wondered if there is any skill in Stud H/L?   Most of the tables are empty on the sites I play.  Is this due to there being better potential earning at other games or down to the fact it is more of a luck game? 

I think the reason why the tables are empty is because it has a pretty high skill level indeed. Most of the split games are really weighted towards better players because of the double pot aspect. The earn at these tables when you get good players vs bad players is imo higher then if you got good players vs bad players at limit holdem. Plus it doesn't get much exposure so all the new players gravitate towards the game they see on TV, so it doesn't stand much of a chance in the current climate

[Sark79]

ok, thanks.  I totally misunderstood that game  .  I always thought it was a luck game.  Just shows, I have a lot of learning to do 

[Lee]

(ass Lee alludes to in his great post)

Please don't call me an ass, i have feelings you know. 

[totalise]

(ass Lee alludes to in his great post)

Please don't call me an ass, i have feelings you know. 

hehehe apologies.. have edited

[TightEnd]

totalise..


you are playing a long session and are stuck in total a buy in or two. (Hypothetical of course!!)

do you carry on playing longer than originally intended? do you loosen up? do you chase?


How do you stay focussed on the ring games? what tricks do you have to keep concentration levels high?

[Sark79]

(ass Lee alludes to in his great post)

Please don't call me an ass, i have feelings you know. 

lol 

[totalise]

totalise..


you are playing a long session and are stuck in total a buy in or two. (Hypothetical of course!!)

do you carry on playing longer than originally intended? do you loosen up? do you chase?


How do you stay focussed on the ring games? what tricks do you have to keep concentration levels high?

if i get stuck a couple buyins, I try not to play any-more. If I do play, its likely that I'll chunk off more money, chasing is standard procedure. Take a couple hours off, go for a run, and see if its different when I get back. Theoretically they say you shouldnt leave good games, but that assumes you have an edge, and most people dont play as well when they are losing despite what they might say. Most good sessions come from when I am rolling the table, not the otherway round... and I think this is how it should be for most people. If I do stay at a table after losing, you can bet your last dollar that I'll be chasing any potential win, and I'll be looser then the female populace round Kings Cross!


As for staying focused on ring games, I dont really have problems with that. I try to figure out what other people have every hand, even If I'm not in the hand. If you can figure out why someone has played a certain hand a certain way, you have a pretty good edge.. so studying the table and what they are doing is probably the easiest way to do this. In general i dont think you should have much problems concentrating, if you do have problems, you might be playing sessions that are too long, or you might be playing too many tables where you are just sat mindlessly clicking without giving things any thought.

[Sark79]

This may have been discussed already briefly, or something similar.   As I said before, I prefer 6 player games.  However as  players leave their seats and the table has only about three players remaining, is there an optimum time to leave and find another game? .  In $0.25/0.50 games the average pot size is around $7 at the site I mostly play.  With the blinds passing around more frequently, is there a stage where it becomes unprofitable to sit. At this stage is it better to sit out or find another table which is full?   

Sorry if this is badly worded, I am juggling about 30 things at once right now 


thanks

[MrSpeed]

Totalise,

I have heard some of the top pro's say that one of the main mistakes amateurs make is 'building a pot out of position'.

Do you have any thoughts on this? In effect, is there any strategy changes you make for playing the blinds with marginal hands. I play mainly multi table 6max online so playing the blinds is a main part of the game (2 out of 6 rather than 2 out of 9/10 is a big diff).  

Also, any tips on controlling pot size (esp out of pos) with semi strong hands (i.e. top pair on dangerous board etc).

G

[tikay]

Tighty bought this thread to my attention (I struggle to keep up wtih all the threads) & he told me several blondes had PM'd him asking if it could go into "best of blonde" (after it's run it's course).

I agree - what say you guys?

[Royal Flush]

Tighty bought this thread to my attention (I struggle to keep up wtih all the threads) & he told me several blondes had PM'd him asking if it could go into "best of blonde" (after it's run it's course).

I agree - what say you guys?

If there was ever a thread that deserved it.

[Sark79]

Yep, definitely Best of Blonde material. All top class advice .  Along with matt's C+C, this is one of the best threads in ages.    to totalise for all his effort. 

 When you write the e-book mate, please print your screen name, your Father's screen name and all the sites you play at. I will be avoiding both of you 

[totalise]

Tighty bought this thread to my attention (I struggle to keep up wtih all the threads) & he told me several blondes had PM'd him asking if it could go into "best of blonde" (after it's run it's course).

I agree - what say you guys?

Its got a ways to go before it can reach the lofty heights of Rob and Tanks threads.. so maybe when its done and dusted it could be deemed worthy of there.


MrSpeed,

I have heard some of the top pro's say that one of the main mistakes amateurs make is 'building a pot out of position'.

well thats true enough, what they mean is you dont want to build up big pots OOP with marginal hands. Against average players, I think its ok to build pots OOP, as long as you dont mince it up post-flop if you miss/looks like you are beat. Hands like AK are ok to re-raise/build pots with against standard players, as you generally win big pots when you hit, and you can steal a reasonable % postflop if you miss.

Against great players, you dont really like to inflate pots OOP because they can exploit their positional advantage, so you tend to want to play small ball against them. Against players that dont exploit the button, its much less of a concern.

Also, any tips on controlling pot size (esp out of pos) with semi strong hands (i.e. top pair on dangerous board etc).

I think a good line is to bet the flop strong, and then check behind on the turn (if called) and then call the river if its a seemingly blank card. It keeps the pot smaller, and gives them leeway to try and steal. It does give free-cards to draws, but there are worse crimes then that, especially when your hand isnt that strong to begin with. OOP, well that will depend on the person in position. Bad players wont exploit it that well, so you can bet/check-call, whatever feels/seems right and control it that way. Good players dont let you control the pot size OOP, so you tend to have to hope they let you see the river cheap. check-calling the flop and then leading the turn slows a lot of people down, so thats a reasonable way to at least try and get a cheaper river, but its by no means fool-proof



Sark,

This may have been discussed already briefly, or something similar.   As I said before, I prefer 6 player games.  However as  players leave their seats and the table has only about three players remaining, is there an optimum time to leave and find another game? .  In $0.25/0.50 games the average pot size is around $7 at the site I mostly play.  With the blinds passing around more frequently, is there a stage where it becomes unprofitable to sit. At this stage is it better to sit out or find another table which is full?   

It depends on how you feel... do you feel as though you can make money in this lineup. In general if the table gets too short and you feel as though you are uncomfy, then you should just leave the table and find a new one... as when you start feeling out of your depth, you are more prone to make mistakes. Just go with the flow and do what feels right, as its normally the case that if it feels right, its the best course of action to take (in terms of table line-up)

[tikay]

Good point Lee.

If (when) we move it to Best of blonde, we will "clean it up" & remove the "clutter".