Tony G

[I, Zimbra]

That's kind of what I meant - it was entertaining for me to watch Surinder beat him.

Although perhaps that's not quite the result he (Tony) had in mind.

Classic comment - Marcel Luske being interviewed by Shana, about Tony's behaviour: "He needs to calm down for a bit. And perhaps some black coffee..."


[Edit: Written before Lee changed his statement (above) to indicate he was talking about Pagulayan and not Tony G...  ]

[Sark79]

No, I like Alex Pagulyan.  He is a good player ( pool ) and seems a decent bloke in inerviews after.  I saw him play a 9 ball tourney on SKY at Christmas time.  Apparently he hadn't picked up a cue in a month before the game started.  He still won convincingly.  Natural talent.  He plays a lot of online poker

[MrMoves]

Prob old news but after a bitova tilt last night thought I'd watch some poker instead and caught the final table featuring El B and finally heads up between Surinder S and Tony.

I generally like characters at a table - colour and all that. But I thought he was just a tad beyond the pale. Would be interesting to know if anyone here knows him personally and thinks he's a good egg. Mind you good egg or not still think he borders on the unwatchable and definitely unlikeable.

Didn't the hit stage show 'Muppetry of the Penis' originate in Australia ?

He is a gentleman who gets undeserved bad press from surprising quarters.  Don't believe everything you see on TV or read in forums.

Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that his conduct in Paris was that of a gentleman?

He may be a gentleman when it suits him, but thats not quite the same thing, Is it?

Why was the bad press undeserved?

I'm not having a pop at you Mr Moves, I just want to know why you think like you do

Hi Tom,

I get on with the man.  Everybody has off days.  Most importantly, TV and media can produce reactions that aren't the day to day norm'.  I try to base my opinion on people from my own experiences.

Many sports have bad boys, probably all sports.  The poker bad boys generate great interest (look how quickly this thread has grown already).  They make for very watchable TV.

Tony G. is entertaining and very approachable.  I like the guy.  I don't care if that opinion is in the minority.

Hand on Heart, Tom.  What I saw in Paris is nothing compared to what I've seen and heard up and down Britain's card rooms in the last year.

[RED-DOG]

Prob old news but after a bitova tilt last night thought I'd watch some poker instead and caught the final table featuring El B and finally heads up between Surinder S and Tony.

I generally like characters at a table - colour and all that. But I thought he was just a tad beyond the pale. Would be interesting to know if anyone here knows him personally and thinks he's a good egg. Mind you good egg or not still think he borders on the unwatchable and definitely unlikeable.

Didn't the hit stage show 'Muppetry of the Penis' originate in Australia ?

He is a gentleman who gets undeserved bad press from surprising quarters.  Don't believe everything you see on TV or read in forums.

Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that his conduct in Paris was that of a gentleman?

He may be a gentleman when it suits him, but thats not quite the same thing, Is it?

Why was the bad press undeserved?

I'm not having a pop at you Mr Moves, I just want to know why you think like you do

Hi Tom,

I get on with the man.  Everybody has off days.  Most importantly, TV and media can produce reactions that aren't the day to day norm'.  I try to base my opinion on people from my own experiences.

Many sports have bad boys, probably all sports.  The poker bad boys generate great interest (look how quickly this thread has grown already).  They make for very watchable TV.

Tony G. is entertaining and very approachable.  I like the guy.  I don't care if that opinion is in the minority.

Hand on Heart, Tom.  What I saw in Paris is nothing compared to what I've seen and heard up and down Britain's card rooms in the last year.

Fair enough, I'm not saying there are not worse people, or that you have no right to like him. But I ask again, was it the conduct of a gentleman?

[Lee]

No, I like Alex Pagulyan.  He is a good player ( pool ) and seems a decent bloke in inerviews after.  I saw him play a 9 ball tourney on SKY at Christmas time.  Apparently he hadn't picked up a cue in a month before the game started.  He still won convincingly.  Natural talent.  He plays a lot of online poker

He dearly wanted to become a professional golfer. Had that "i will succeed" attitude to anything, this was his next aim.

[MrMoves]

Prob old news but after a bitova tilt last night thought I'd watch some poker instead and caught the final table featuring El B and finally heads up between Surinder S and Tony.

I generally like characters at a table - colour and all that. But I thought he was just a tad beyond the pale. Would be interesting to know if anyone here knows him personally and thinks he's a good egg. Mind you good egg or not still think he borders on the unwatchable and definitely unlikeable.

Didn't the hit stage show 'Muppetry of the Penis' originate in Australia ?

He is a gentleman who gets undeserved bad press from surprising quarters.  Don't believe everything you see on TV or read in forums.

Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that his conduct in Paris was that of a gentleman?

He may be a gentleman when it suits him, but thats not quite the same thing, Is it?

Why was the bad press undeserved?

I'm not having a pop at you Mr Moves, I just want to know why you think like you do

Hi Tom,

I get on with the man.  Everybody has off days.  Most importantly, TV and media can produce reactions that aren't the day to day norm'.  I try to base my opinion on people from my own experiences.

Many sports have bad boys, probably all sports.  The poker bad boys generate great interest (look how quickly this thread has grown already).  They make for very watchable TV.

Tony G. is entertaining and very approachable.  I like the guy.  I don't care if that opinion is in the minority.

Hand on Heart, Tom.  What I saw in Paris is nothing compared to what I've seen and heard up and down Britain's card rooms in the last year.

Fair enough, I'm not saying there are not worse people, or that you have no right to like him. But I ask again, was it the conduct of a gentleman?

I'm sure he would be the first to admit that wasn't his greatest day.

We all have off days.  That doesn't mean any single incident (or two or three or thirteen incidents) makes us less of a gentleman.

[Colchester Kev]

I spent a bit of time with Tony G in cardiff for the willy hill GP, he was a perfect gent and pleasant company, his antics at the table arent my cup of tea and i think it stinks, but away from the table he was a gent.   so i have to weigh up the facts, which is the real Tony G .... I would like to think its the guy that i met AWAY from the poker table.

[RED-DOG]

Prob old news but after a bitova tilt last night thought I'd watch some poker instead and caught the final table featuring El B and finally heads up between Surinder S and Tony.

I generally like characters at a table - colour and all that. But I thought he was just a tad beyond the pale. Would be interesting to know if anyone here knows him personally and thinks he's a good egg. Mind you good egg or not still think he borders on the unwatchable and definitely unlikeable.

Didn't the hit stage show 'Muppetry of the Penis' originate in Australia ?

He is a gentleman who gets undeserved bad press from surprising quarters.  Don't believe everything you see on TV or read in forums.

Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that his conduct in Paris was that of a gentleman?

He may be a gentleman when it suits him, but thats not quite the same thing, Is it?

Why was the bad press undeserved?

I'm not having a pop at you Mr Moves, I just want to know why you think like you do

Hi Tom,

I get on with the man.  Everybody has off days.  Most importantly, TV and media can produce reactions that aren't the day to day norm'.  I try to base my opinion on people from my own experiences.

Many sports have bad boys, probably all sports.  The poker bad boys generate great interest (look how quickly this thread has grown already).  They make for very watchable TV.

Tony G. is entertaining and very approachable.  I like the guy.  I don't care if that opinion is in the minority.

Hand on Heart, Tom.  What I saw in Paris is nothing compared to what I've seen and heard up and down Britain's card rooms in the last year.

Fair enough, I'm not saying there are not worse people, or that you have no right to like him. But I ask again, was it the conduct of a gentleman?

I'm sure he would be the first to admit that wasn't his greatest day.

We all have off days.  That doesn't mean any single incident (or two or three or thirteen incidents) makes us less of a gentleman.

Just for the sake of debate, what does make us less of a gentleman?

[Lee]

If a burglar only burgles for 1% of his life, is he a gent for the other 99% of the time?

[Acidmouse]

Red's not mentioned Adolf yet, so this thread aint doing too bad

[MrMoves]

Prob old news but after a bitova tilt last night thought I'd watch some poker instead and caught the final table featuring El B and finally heads up between Surinder S and Tony.

I generally like characters at a table - colour and all that. But I thought he was just a tad beyond the pale. Would be interesting to know if anyone here knows him personally and thinks he's a good egg. Mind you good egg or not still think he borders on the unwatchable and definitely unlikeable.

Didn't the hit stage show 'Muppetry of the Penis' originate in Australia ?

He is a gentleman who gets undeserved bad press from surprising quarters.  Don't believe everything you see on TV or read in forums.

Can you honestly say, hand on heart, that his conduct in Paris was that of a gentleman?

He may be a gentleman when it suits him, but thats not quite the same thing, Is it?

Why was the bad press undeserved?

I'm not having a pop at you Mr Moves, I just want to know why you think like you do

Hi Tom,

I get on with the man.  Everybody has off days.  Most importantly, TV and media can produce reactions that aren't the day to day norm'.  I try to base my opinion on people from my own experiences.

Many sports have bad boys, probably all sports.  The poker bad boys generate great interest (look how quickly this thread has grown already).  They make for very watchable TV.

Tony G. is entertaining and very approachable.  I like the guy.  I don't care if that opinion is in the minority.

Hand on Heart, Tom.  What I saw in Paris is nothing compared to what I've seen and heard up and down Britain's card rooms in the last year.

Fair enough, I'm not saying there are not worse people, or that you have no right to like him. But I ask again, was it the conduct of a gentleman?

I'm sure he would be the first to admit that wasn't his greatest day.

We all have off days.  That doesn't mean any single incident (or two or three or thirteen incidents) makes us less of a gentleman.

Just for the sake of debate, what does make us less of a gentleman?

I think the debate is getting a little out of hand.  I expect they'll be references to murderers shortly!  

I doubt there isn't a person reading this (well, apart from sark, naturally!) that hasn't behaved poorly in their lives.  Yet, they would consider themselves a decent guy, maybe even a gentleman.

[RED-DOG]

It wasn't getting out of hand as far as I was concerned, but I have no particular desire to continue if you don't want to.

[ifm]

He was very cowed afterwards and appologised profusely at every oportunity (he put a statement out on his blog that is probably still there), i also think that the last time this debate came up on here he posted on the thread. (MATT!!!!!!!).

[Sark79]

I guess what counts at the end of the day is how a person treats his family and friends.  I am sure Tony G is a gent in both these areas. Therefor he probably gets all of our approval.  However his work ( poker ) causes another side of his character to be revealed.  Most people don't like it and wish he would consider the other players at his table a little more.

[MrMoves]

It wasn't getting out of hand as far as I was concerned, but I have no particular desire to continue if you don't want to.

Your question "what makes us less of a gentleman" could bring about any number of responses, we could be at it all night!  

Who is and who isn't a gent is just a simply matter of opinion really.  Criteria for being gent is, again, a matter of opinion.