KK v AA....

[mikee_j]

------HAND 5------

Game #2036157133: Hold'em NL (10/20) - 2006/07/28 - 16:04:30 (GMT)

Table "Tourney 3139346 - 14" Seat 4 is the button.

Seat 1: dtcchilly (1420 in chips)
Seat 2: -Mikee-J- (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: Hvutt (1450 in chips)
Seat 4: mixery (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: yazoo (2000 in chips)
Seat 6: Bamsey001 (1240 in chips)
Seat 7: Chronicle (1550 in chips)
Seat 8: flomme (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: pearlss (1500 in chips)
Seat 10: Babis13 (1410 in chips)

yazoo: posts small blind 10
Bamsey001: posts big blind 20

----- HOLE CARDS -----

dealt to -Mikee-J- [ ]
Chronicle: raises to 80
flomme: folds
pearlss: folds
Babis13: folds
dtcchilly: folds
-Mikee-J-: raises to 200
Hvutt: folds
mixery: calls 200
yazoo: folds
Bamsey001: folds
Chronicle: raises to 520
-Mikee-J-: calls 320
mixery: folds

----- FLOP ----- [ ]

Chronicle: bets 540
-Mikee-J-: raises to 970 and is all-in
Chronicle: calls 430

----- TURN ----- [ ][]

----- RIVER ----- [ ][]

----- SHOW DOWN -----

-Mikee-J-: shows [ ] (A Pair of Kings, Jack high)
Chronicle: shows [ ] (A Pair of Aces, Jack high)
Chronicle collects 3210 from Main pot


3rd or 4th hand in MTT, should i have known he had aces or did the hand really play itself? re-raising my raise preflop did raise some awareness.

[Scottish Dave]

i dont think in a tourney like the one you were playing, i could ever lay down KK preflop, your looking at a 220-1 shot that your KK runs into AA, if you do, its just tough titty - altho at least you will know the next 219 times you get KK none of your opponents will have AA!

...Or at least thats how the law of averages on this planet is supposed to work

[Royal Flush]

i dont think in a tourney like the one you were playing, i could ever lay down KK preflop, your looking at a 220-1 shot that your KK runs into AA, if you do, its just tough titty - altho at least you will know the next 219 times you get KK none of your opponents will have AA!

...Or at least thats how the law of averages on this planet is supposed to work

True if its HU its 220-1, however it was a full ring table so the odds are much higher, throw in the drop in probability due to a re-raise (the range of hands is a lot tighter) then it is way below 220-1.

Having said all that they are Kings! What i want to know is why on earth u flat call pre flop?!?!

[I, Zimbra]

Yep, get it all-in preflop, then deep sigh and reach for the red pen when you see it's AA and not QQ or AK. (or, on Tribeca, J-J, 7-7, 9-8 suited... or pretty much anything else...  )

[NoflopsHomer]

i dont think in a tourney like the one you were playing, i could ever lay down KK preflop, your looking at a 220-1 shot that your KK runs into AA, if you do, its just tough titty - altho at least you will know the next 219 times you get KK none of your opponents will have AA!

...Or at least thats how the law of averages on this planet is supposed to work

True if its HU its 220-1, however it was a full ring table so the odds are much higher, throw in the drop in probability due to a re-raise (the range of hands is a lot tighter) then it is way below 220-1.

Having said all that they are Kings! What i want to know is why on earth u flat call pre flop?!?!

I nearly threw KK away once in a £30 SNG on Crypto, I raised in EP, got re-raised, I re-re-raised, he re-re-re-raised, and I thought "he has aces" so I moved all-in, he insta-called with the other two kings. I four-flushed. 

[Trix]

"I thought "he has aces" so I moved all-in"

er...  ^^^^^^

[NoflopsHomer]

"I thought "he has aces" so I moved all-in"

er...  ^^^^^^

That was deliberate tongue-in-cheek...

[Table Manners]

i dont think in a tourney like the one you were playing, i could ever lay down KK preflop, your looking at a 220-1 shot that your KK runs into AA, if you do, its just tough titty - altho at least you will know the next 219 times you get KK none of your opponents will have AA!

...Or at least thats how the law of averages on this planet is supposed to work

If you have KK and you're in a game with 9 other players. There is around a 1/24 that someone else at the table has AA

[Trix]

"I thought "he has aces" so I moved all-in"

er...  ^^^^^^

That was deliberate tongue-in-cheek...

oh

[mikee_j]

i dont think in a tourney like the one you were playing, i could ever lay down KK preflop, your looking at a 220-1 shot that your KK runs into AA, if you do, its just tough titty - altho at least you will know the next 219 times you get KK none of your opponents will have AA!

...Or at least thats how the law of averages on this planet is supposed to work

True if its HU its 220-1, however it was a full ring table so the odds are much higher, throw in the drop in probability due to a re-raise (the range of hands is a lot tighter) then it is way below 220-1.

Having said all that they are Kings! What i want to know is why on earth u flat call pre flop?!?!

so the play would have been to go over the top again and go allin? thanks for the advice

[I, Zimbra]

I tend to feel that

- if I have KK and someone else has AA; or

- if I have QQ and someone else has AA or KK,

then it's just not my tournament.

After all, if he does have AA, the only way you get away from your KK on the flop (realistically) is if an ace hits; and he has two of those already. So the most likely outcome is that it will go in on the flop anyway.

[Royal Flush]

i dont think in a tourney like the one you were playing, i could ever lay down KK preflop, your looking at a 220-1 shot that your KK runs into AA, if you do, its just tough titty - altho at least you will know the next 219 times you get KK none of your opponents will have AA!

...Or at least thats how the law of averages on this planet is supposed to work

True if its HU its 220-1, however it was a full ring table so the odds are much higher, throw in the drop in probability due to a re-raise (the range of hands is a lot tighter) then it is way below 220-1.

Having said all that they are Kings! What i want to know is why on earth u flat call pre flop?!?!

so the play would have been to go over the top again and go allin? thanks for the advice

An all in from you now would be less than a potsized raise, if you are ever in that situation with a big hand then just push all in. Your oppo isnt passing