Launch of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT)

[Royal Flush]

Our terms & conditions and rules have been approved by both the gambling commission and our initial venue, the Broadway Casino.  This in itself is a unique achievement, in that the Broadway Casino, a fully compliant British Casino Association venue, will run the English Amateur Poker Championship under APAT rules, and not their own.  Our rules, our structure, our clock, our payouts.

The registration charge is 10% of the overall entry charge of £75.00.

Since when does the juice get calculated that way! This is supposed to be a better deal for poker players, a voice for amateur players, and already the defence behind charging more than 10% juice is "well the gaming board will let us do it"

It will run as a business, seems like a great one so far, you have got the added money coming from and on-line poker site so no investment then you are charging this 'special juice' which i assume makes up some of your profits, then you have the extra backdoor £10 juice that you just pocket! Unless of course you can tell us what this extra £10 actually gets the members?

I would love to reconsider my position but so far i don't see any reason too do so! If this wasn't fronted by tikay and tighty then they would be in this thread themselves asking "how can they get away with this?"

As for changing the face of the game, the only thing i see the casinos taking from this is the idea "hey look we can charge more than 10%!!"

[dik9]

Flushy, this is a really positive step, you do come across very negative LOL

I have the same concerns, but I really want this to work!!

[mikkyT]

Im concerned that it will interfere with tikay and tighty on blonde.... r they leaving us

[ifm]

Flushy, this is a really positive step, you do come across very negative LOL

I have the same concerns, but I really want this to work!!

In fairness to flushy Richard, if this business is going to represent us then they should be answerable to us.
This is an open forum and they must have expected a Q&A session.

[Royal Flush]

Flushy, this is a really positive step, you do come across very negative LOL

I have the same concerns, but I really want this to work!!

It is a fantastic idea, no doubt. Just if its 'for the players' its not a great start to come straight out with charging more juice than normal! I mean if you are going to add money to an event why do you then increase the juice? Why not reduce the added money and get rid of the juice? At least that way all 120 players get some benefit rather than just the 1 player.

I also like people have mentioned can't see how this will stay as an amateur league, as far as i can see if i make money any other way than poker then i can join? So say Phil Hellmuth could play because he writes books?

[DesD]

Our terms & conditions and rules have been approved by both the gambling commission and our initial venue, the Broadway Casino.  This in itself is a unique achievement, in that the Broadway Casino, a fully compliant British Casino Association venue, will run the English Amateur Poker Championship under APAT rules, and not their own.  Our rules, our structure, our clock, our payouts.

The registration charge is 10% of the overall entry charge of £75.00.

Since when does the juice get calculated that way! This is supposed to be a better deal for poker players, a voice for amateur players, and already the defence behind charging more than 10% juice is "well the gaming board will let us do it"

It will run as a business, seems like a great one so far, you have got the added money coming from and on-line poker site so no investment then you are charging this 'special juice' which i assume makes up some of your profits, then you have the extra backdoor £10 juice that you just pocket! Unless of course you can tell us what this extra £10 actually gets the members?

I would love to reconsider my position but so far i don't see any reason too do so! If this wasn't fronted by tikay and tighty then they would be in this thread themselves asking "how can they get away with this?"

As for changing the face of the game, the only thing i see the casinos taking from this is the idea "hey look we can charge more than 10%!!"

Hi Royal Flush,

I am quoting the terminology and figures as signed off by the GC.  

We will always act within the gambling law and if there has been a mistake in communication, it will be rectified and corrected.  To clarify, we will not be charging a greater than 10% registration fee.  

Regards,

Des Duffy
Managing Director
Amateur Poker Limited

des@apat.com

[dik9]

I understand that, but surely we should support a venture like this and then tweak/shoot down further down the line?

It is their launch day today, and obviously there are some concerns, take a day to think about them all then post.

I have a concern over the ante structure but was going to wait

[Newmanseye]

I dont think its expensive at all, its a small price to pay for the foundation of something that has been missing from poker for far too long.  

As for the "juice" who cares, it costs money to rune an organisation like this, so lets stick that extra few quid in the kitty for the added protection and benefits that APAT will bring. Great tourneys it looks like and a good site on board to boot.

Thats my opinion anyways.

[Acidmouse]

Seems alot of cash to enter for so called normal players. £75 + juice .

[Ginger]

I dont think its expensive at all, its a small price to pay for the foundation of something that has been missing from poker for far too long. 

As for the "juice" who cares, it costs money to rune an organisation like this, so lets stick that extra few quid in the kitty for the added protection and benefits that APAT will bring. Great tourneys it looks like and a good site on board to boot.

Thats my opinion anyways.

 

[dik9]

A registration fee may be no more than 10% of the ENTRY fee up to a ceiling of £50

Membership fees cannot be included in this?

[Rod Paradise]

It sounds pretty good to me, just wondering if I can afford 2 trips to Birmingham in the same month  

Good luck on this TK, Tighty & Mel.

[dan]

Don't forget the £10 backdoor juice aswell!

Surely thats a one off membership fee though

No there is an anual fee

where is the annual fee? i thought it was £10 or £5 dependant on wheather you had a promo code plus the £75 tourney/ reg fee

[mikkyT]

think Flushy is picking up on the 75.00 + 7.50 actually being 67.50 + 7.50

Which is it as Tighty has mentioned both!

I think this is great news. Weve been shoutin bout it 4 long enuf so lets have positive debate. Leave the negative at the door and be constructive

[Royal Flush]

I understand that, but surely we should support a venture like this and then tweak/shoot down further down the line?

It is their launch day today, and obviously there are some concerns, take a day to think about them all then post.

I have a concern over the ante structure but was going to wait

Well yes those are the things that can be tweaked though, given how much Tikay has had to say about the 150/300 level i am sure it will be in there when the tour starts, as with the 800-1600 level. These are not really concept issues though.