Launch of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT)

[Ginger]

The blinds
400/800
500/1000   (this level is not normal in most uk comps)  and normally it jumps straight to
600/1200   <--------- 

So an added level in for more creative play.

Its only after 6 hours and 40mins do the blinds go from 600/1200 to 1000/2000

 

I can see that you have the extra level, but in all honesty I would prefer to lose the 500/1000 and have not such a large jump later. It takes a far greater % of your stack!

[dik9]

The blinds
400/800
500/1000   (this level is not normal in most uk comps)  and normally it jumps straight to
600/1200   <---------  

So why put it in? Take it out and have 400/800 600/1200 and 800/1600 then 1000/2000 why be different, I can see where you are coming from and you do get more play that way, but the increase will effect everyones play, surely it should gradually go up?

[ifm]

sorry, 66 and a bit % increase

[totalise]

All,

Unless I am having a blonde moment, I haven't seen a satisfactory definition of who is/isn't allowed to play in this series, in terms of "professional" status. The main problem is that if this series goes the way it goes, theres going to be a real sick overlay due to the relatively high buyins and relatively low level of skill, so its going to hold certain attractions to this.

Take Johnny Chan, his sole income isn't poker. Same with Negranu. Same with Doyle. Are these allowed to play?

its slightly pedantic, but at the same time highlights the need to have proper boundaries.. as if it is really for the amateurs/less skilled people, theres no way that tikay/tighty (and numerous other people on here) should be allowed to play in this series.

[dik9]

My opinion is everyone should be able to have a say pro's and amateurs alike, some of the previous attempts have only let pro's in, for a tenner everyone can get a vote. I would however limit it to British players or players that regularly play in Britain.

If the objective is for British players?

[1PP]

Can you clarify 'Ireland' = 'Northern Ireland' and not 'All Ireland'?

[mikkyT]

Totalise whilst I hear that sentiment you are doing the amatuer a disservice by describing him as less skilled.

just because sum1 plays poker 4a living does not mean they are more skilled than sum1 who plays recreationally.

My profession is computer programmer. there are far more talented programmers out there who for there own reasons remain amatuer and program 4 fun/free or both.

I am currently unemployed. If I got a job at tesco I wud still be a professional programmer.

[londonpokergirl]

Guys thanks for the feedback its very much appreciated.

All the feedback will be getting reviewed in the next couple of weeks with all our board
members and so therefore we can amend and tweak things as needed

See you on 23/24 September

Mel
Tournament Director

[NoflopsHomer]

The 'who can enter debate' concerns me too, I've just left my job, so at the moment my only income comes from Poker, but I wouldn't consider myself a professional yet...

[dik9]

Can you clarify 'Ireland' = 'Northern Ireland' and not 'All Ireland'?

Whatever is covered by the British Gaming Commissiom, as it is these buggars that vito everything and need to listen to a body of people that know what they are talking about

[totalise]

Totalise whilst I hear that sentiment you are doing the amatuer a disservice by describing him as less skilled.

just because sum1 plays poker 4a living does not mean they are more skilled than sum1 who plays recreationally.

My profession is computer programmer. there are far more talented programmers out there who for there own reasons remain amatuer and program 4 fun/free or both.

I am currently unemployed. If I got a job at tesco I wud still be a professional programmer.

I am describing a field of amateurs as being less skilled then if it was an open tournament. There is no way that is an incorrect assertion, and its not even a relevant part of my post.

What I am trying to figure out is what exactly the criteria is for someone like me/flushy/pab and all the other internet "professionals". Are we not allowed to play? what about if we include my property overseas that I sometimes rent out. Am I then elligible to play and pab/flushy (etc) not? that would be pretty crazy huh

just because sum1 plays poker 4a living does not mean they are more skilled than sum1 who plays recreationally.

thats true, and just because someone programs computers for a living doesn't mean they are more skilled at writing programs then a boiled egg, but its a reasonable assertion

[mikkyT]

reasonable maybe. Generalisation almost definately.

Im currently without income and using small stakes poker as a means of living. But i wudnt say im professional. Were do I stand? U raise a good point totalise. And our difference of opinion only goes to show how vague the requirement is..

[ifm]

so then we have Mikky, Floppy, totalise, flushy and pab as professionals and so ineligible

[NoflopsHomer]

so then we have Mikky, Floppy, totalise, flushy and pab as professionals and so ineligible

Wow, me as part of that illustrious cast of top notch players...




And Flushy.

[Jon MW]

It is in the APAT rules that the eligibility of players can be decided by APAT, this suggests some sort of commonsense approach.

i.e. if you earn a vast sum from poker and poker sponsorship but also write a few books - you won't be allowed to enter, if you're unemployed and hence you're only earnings are from poker until you get another job - you can enter.

This would be the best approach in my opinion because once you start setting hard and fast rules, exceptions to make these rules look silly can always be found. But it does rely on the policing being done and the common sense being applied, otherwise it will just become a free for all with anybody entering because they know they can get away with it.