Sit and go bubble situation

[Canuck]

I fold everytime because the next blind is eating the 230 short stack.

I know you want to go for first, but for me, I make sure I am in the money before I try risky plays like that on the bubble.

Let him have the pot

[Dale]

Hanson only has 230$ left...he's going to be BB in 2 hands time

That should worry the other 2 players into folding almost everything and thats why as the chip lead you can own the bubble.

own or be owned!

[Dale]

I know you want to go for first, but for me, I make sure I am in the money before I try risky plays like that on the bubble.

Really you should do whatever increases your $ev as opposed to playing for 3rd or playing for 1st.
It pays you in the long run.....

[Canuck]

Hanson only has 230$ left...he's going to be BB in 2 hands time

That should worry the other 2 players into folding almost everything and thats why as the chip lead you can own the bubble.

own or be owned!

I agree with this thinking of owned or be owned but it is quite possible he has something. I would not like to risk my life on him folding, esp with such a short stack. He will have 4800 left for a pot with about 8700 in it, almost 2-1. With those odds I would have quite a large range of calling hands.

I like the aggresiveness, but still I fold

[Dale]

With those odds I would have quite a large range of calling hands.

you'd be wrong to be thinking in terms of pot odds and chip ev..... rather than $ev.
pot odds matter much less the closer you are to the money, if you get 100% of the chips you only get %50 of the prizepool so it should be easy to see why you should not be thinking about value in terms of chips.

like i said i did the ev math for this hand and he cant call you with anything other than aces for it to be a +ev call.
you call with a loser range than that then youre losing money in the long run.

ofcourse if he's daft and calls makes the said -ev call it turns out to be -ev for you too, but i need to know that the raiser is an idiot for me not to push on him.

anyway if he calls you and you lose you're still finishing ITM most of the time.

[ACE2M]

Turn the situation around.

What if your the intial raiser and you suspect the move from the chip leader and fancy your chance to own the stt? I know the maths is there but i've called with less than AA KK QQ in these spots because i think i'm ahead and can practically wrap up 1st or 2nd.

Playing back at the CL on the bubble is also highly profitable if you have enough chips to plunge them into the depths of shortstack. I hate to be 3rd (more than 4th) in chips on the bubble where if the shortie doubles i am in trouble and i can't push back at a raise with any FE.

I just fold and stay out of trouble, i'm in no immediate danger and my hand is shit.

[bolt pp]

SIGH!!! The infallible Harrington

[SupaMonkey]

Bertpup, tell me you pushed, he called with A-K and then you outdrew him. Pleeeeeeease. It'll make me laugh all day.

[totalise]

SIGH!!! The infallible Harrington

bolt, 

what on earth is this meant to mean

[bolt pp]

SIGH!!! The infallible Harrington

bolt, 

what on earth is this meant to mean

Seems to me by the way you've phrased your question you already know

[totalise]

If I already knew I wouldn't bother asking

[bolt pp]

If I already knew I wouldn't bother asking

you shouldn't have bothered asking: "what on earth"

[totalise]

lol forget it

[bolt pp]

good idea

[thetank]

Here's how I see it....

Party poker speed sit and go Blinds go up every 5 mins and is a super super fast structure with Money to top 3 50,30,20

***** Hand History for Game 5027899061 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $11 Buy-in Trny:27852998 Level:6 Blinds(300/600) - Friday, August 25, 20:38:54 ET 2006
Table Speed #1290638 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: hanson244 ( $230 )
Seat 9: MoneySpeaks ( $6680 )
Seat 2: Bertpup ( $7984 )
Seat 5: gtasteele ( $5106 )
Trny:27852998 Level:6
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bertpup [ it doesn't matter ]
>You have options at Speed #1290690 Table!.
MoneySpeaks raises [1200].
hanson244 folds.

Free chips