Sit and go bubble situation

[ACE2M]

Here's how I see it....

Party poker speed sit and go Blinds go up every 5 mins and is a super super fast structure with Money to top 3 50,30,20

***** Hand History for Game 5027899061 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $11 Buy-in Trny:27852998 Level:6 Blinds(300/600) - Friday, August 25, 20:38:54 ET 2006
Table Speed #1290638 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: hanson244 ( $230 )
Seat 9: MoneySpeaks ( $6680 )
Seat 2: Bertpup ( $7984 )
Seat 5: gtasteele ( $5106 )
Trny:27852998 Level:6
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bertpup [ it doesn't matter ]
>You have options at Speed #1290690 Table!.
MoneySpeaks raises [1200].
hanson244 folds.

Free chips

 

[ACE2M]

just out of interest does this mean it is entirely pointless to raise on the bubble if the CL is still to act and you don't hold AA?

[totalise]

just out of interest does this mean it is entirely pointless to raise on the bubble if the CL is still to act and you don't hold AA?

no

[thetank]

Depends who the chip leader is. Normallly no, if Dale is the chip leader and to your left then yes.

The other option, if you simply must play that JJ, is to simply go all-in yourself. Can't bully a man when all his chips are already in the middle.

[SupaMonkey]

So when you're in the bubble and not the CL your options are allin or fold then?

[ACE2M]

What are your calling ranges then if you are the intial raiser and you consider the CL well capable of making a move with anything? My question was slightly pedantic.

[totalise]

So when you're in the bubble and not the CL your options are allin or fold then?

against good agressive knowledgable Chip Leaders, that is usually the case..(depending on the seating position at the table) but the whole point is that you wont be facing off against these people at the lower levels too often, they will take the "fold until I get in the money" line so you can just raise normally and they will play their hand according to its strength (ie fold bad/raise good)

What are your calling ranges then if you are the intial raiser and you consider the CL well capable of making a move with anything? My question was slightly pedantic.

depends why you play sng's.. if you just play because you wanna win the tournament, then you probably call with most of the good hands (66+,A10+ etc), because this is the play that likely maximizes your chipEV. If you wanna maximize your $ev, then you should play around with the numbers and see how profitable/unprofitable it is to call with different hands. I dont think ICM is the bible of sng play, i believe it has inherent flaws in it.. but for the main its really useful to understand as if you are playing 500/1000 of these a month.. making a few extra cents per sng soon adds up.

[thetank]

So when you're in the bubble and not the CL your options are allin or fold then?

No, I wouldn't say this is true all the time. Sometimes the blinds are still relatively small, sometimes the CL will be acting before you, sometimes the chip leader is not a nutter *(happy days if this is the case)

Ooh and sometimes we have AA 

*I mean nutter in a good way.

What are your calling ranges then if you are the intial raiser and you consider the CL well capable of making a move with anything? My question was slightly pedantic.

x and y factors involved still. How big are the blinds, how loose are the other players, what's the size of the shortstack, on what sort of 0-100% scale do you think your opponent will come over the top with nothing, what is your current table image, have you been seen to lay down much, what's the difference between the CL's stack and yours.

So can't give you a definitive answer there, it's situation dependant still.

Big big ass pairs usually though.  AK is mince.

[Bazzaboy]

I push

[Bertpup]

Thanks for all the replys. In the end i decided to fold then proceded to shout weak at the top of my voice in frustration at myself. I would say in the situation above i am usually shipping my chips ins ( i also blame tighty for this fold as i had just read his post on instinct and felt that if i did raise all in i was going to get called )


For me i feel that the time to make the safest chips in a speed sit and go is at the bubble. For me when play gets down to 4 handed i would rather go out 4th than give up a good chance to win chips to help get me into a winning position.

I find the best thing about the all in move in a situation like this is that when you get the initial raiser in the chat box calling you all sorts of names is the cherry on top of the cake for me.

[Dale]

you get the initial raiser in the chat box calling you all sorts of names is the cherry on top of the cake for me.

yup mate you get the good feeling of moving all in, which is always a good feeling.
then you get to make the villain mad..... I love it when a donkey gets mad, it gives me a buzz !!!

[thetank]

They usually rail for a bit when they call with their AK and lose

[Dale]

yeah when they rail I always say "you're typing with green text, sign of a loser" or "observers opinions are usualy wrong" just to get the donk on tilt so he can jump into my next table and lose more money.

I know, i know, i shouldn't scare the fish.... fine line between putting them on tilt and making them leave 

[ifm]

Ok a question, do people not understand the reasoning behind a push or are you seriously doubting the reasoning?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

its made me laugh just looking through this forum, some people mentioning that they wouldnt push as they dont think suited connectors are to be played at this stage etc. Truth is it does not matter what cards Bertpup is dealt here, make it 72 off if you like , you would still make the move with these !! The fact is that you are CL on the bubble and you cannot go out in One hand, it would take two losses before youre off. For everyone else, they've all got that worry that they could be off any hand. The thing that makes the push here even better is that you have someone on less than the SB chips! And the others on the table will be aware of this too!