APAT Brum Are you going???

[Rupert]

Me neither...  Feel a bit hard done by to be honest!  Ten quid and I don't make the reserve list to the only event thats economical to attend and entry into a bunch of private $22 online MTTs with so called amateurs like Purr of Aces.... What are the other advantages of APAT?  I won't be renewing I doubt..

why - is there something wrong with successful amateurs being members of the APAT?

And APAT's 2006  amateur champion is Tony Bloom after all poker is not his main source of income. Wonder what kind of final table I could come up with which whilst ultimately fitting the defination and able to play in the APAT comps yet would project a negative image as anything but a amatuer/recreational event. 

I did raise the point if someone who makes a big profit wins any of the events that this will surely have a negative perception to many. People can say "is there anything wrong with successful amateurs being part of the APAT and he's a bookie by day and therefore qualifies" but the fact is many may decide not to join if they feel the entrants are ringers. Who's to say if someone is a ringer or not, it's upto the APAT to decide who plays and many will defended $100k winners to play as they are merely just successful amatuer. Then again many will view differently and will vote by not signing up. 

Agreed, unfortunately I didn't read up on it before hand and probably wouldnt have put the tenner into the raffle if I knew what sort of field I was up against.  That Jamie Gold eh, what a successful amateur

[turny]

Me neither...  Feel a bit hard done by to be honest!  Ten quid and I don't make the reserve list to the only event thats economical to attend and entry into a bunch of private $22 online MTTs with so called amateurs like Purr of Aces.... What are the other advantages of APAT?  I won't be renewing I doubt..

why - is there something wrong with successful amateurs being members of the APAT?

And APAT's 2006  amateur champion is Tony Bloom after all poker is not his main source of income. Wonder what kind of final table I could come up with which whilst ultimately fitting the defination and able to play in the APAT comps yet would project a negative image as anything but a amatuer/recreational event.  

I did raise the point if someone who makes a big profit wins any of the events that this will surely have a negative perception to many. People can say "is there anything wrong with successful amateurs being part of the APAT and he's a bookie by day and therefore qualifies" but the fact is many may decide not to join if they feel the entrants are ringers. Who's to say if someone is a ringer or not, it's upto the APAT to decide who plays and many will defended $100k winners to play as they are merely just successful amatuer. Then again many will view differently and will vote by not signing up.  

exactly people have the choice whether to join or not.

a number of people that are members of the apat are successful amateurs on or offline including myself and to a bigger extent rookieitb but that doesnt mean we shouldnt enter. we both have other incomes.

its just like saying if you are constantly losing money fine u can join but if win ever then your not wanted.

what happens to the winner of the first apat event? is he barred from future events for being successful?

[Rupert]

Some top online pros don't make as much as Purr of Aces does from online poker.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Some top online pros don't make as much as Purr of Aces does from online poker.

your point?

[Rupert]

He's earning as much as a professional online tournament player can expect to make yet is still considered amateur for the APAT just because he has another bigger income.  Does that not seem a bit wrong to anyone else but me?

[totalise]

lol @ all this crying over a tenner.... its not like you pay a tenner just to get in the draw!

Diceman,

it seems that your ideal APAT tournament is full of people that have never seen a deck of cards in their life, something that gives you maximum chance of winning an EPT seat.

good luck to all that got a seat, am sure you will have a great time, despite the obvious travesty of people that win at poker playing in the tournament.

[M3boy]

I Knew there would be trouble  

Like someone said , the APAT definition of an amateur poker player would include MOST professional players - as they have "other" incomes , would it not?

I am not saying its good or bad - just sitting on the fence.

What happens to the unlucky person who NEVER gets picked out in this lottery format? Do you think they will remain a member? Probably not. Will it matter? No because there willl be many others who will want to join.

Does APAT have a ceiling on the number of members?

Are future events going to be "run" in the same way? - I see major problems if they are as the number of members is always going to INCREASE!

Maybe a better idea would be to stage these comps in different areas of the country, and only members within a certain catchment area could enter - would this work? I dont know, but probably not.

Do I have an answer? NO

Am I bitter and twisted that I wasnt picked? NO. A little disapointed but nothing to rant on about.

Finally, good luck to all Blonde's that were picked at random.

[Rupert]

lol come on its not like that, if you're gonna accept 240k-a-year winners into an amateur league at least let us know before we signup so we know we are up against the professionals-but-not-professionals.  I dont give a shit about the tenner its the principles of an amateur association

[turny]

He's earning as much as a professional online tournament player can expect to make yet is still considered amateur for the APAT just because he has another bigger income.  Does that not seem a bit wrong to anyone else but me?

so tell me dice where do u draw the line?


anyone thats won a $20 sng online cannot play cos their successful?

[Colchester Kev]

I cant believe im reading this ....

If you got a seat, CONGRATS.

If you didnt, unlucky.

If you didnt get a seat and you are crying like a bitch ...take a good long look at yourself and think how you are coming across to everyone reading this thread.


what was that saying ??  something about pleasing some of the people ...

[M3boy]

I cant believe im reading this ....

If you got a seat, CONGRATS.

If you didnt, unlucky.

If you didnt get a seat and you are crying like a bitch ...take a good long look at yourself and think how you are coming across to everyone reading this thread.


what was that saying ??  something about pleasing some of the people ...

Was exactly the point I was trying to make Kev, but I'm more subtle than you ;p

[Rupert]

I don't have an answer to that but I think the name needs to be reconsidered since basically anyone can join.  Who IS considered a professional?  Nearly every professional has incomes aside from poker!

Anyway, agree to disagree and all that.  GL to everyone in the event

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I cant believe im reading this ....

If you got a seat, CONGRATS.

If you didnt, unlucky.

If you didnt get a seat and you are crying like a bitch ...take a good long look at yourself and think how you are coming across to everyone reading this thread.


what was that saying ??  something about pleasing some of the people ...

 

[turny]

lol come on its not like that, if you're gonna accept 240k-a-year winners into an amateur league at least let us know before we signup so we know we are up against the professionals-but-not-professionals.  I dont give a shit about the tenner its the principles of an amateur association

pm me your addy il refund your £10 personally if itl stop u whining or better still see me at the blonde bash.

i never got a seat. big deal i wasnt lucky.

im sorry my princple of playing any sports is to play the best thier is. to measure myself against the best.

you must have a very low opinion of your game and no willingness to improve.

[Rupert]

If I knew I was arguing with one of the committee members I wouldn't have even started, talk about drawing dead pre.

I don't mind about the tenner mate, i'll stay a member and see how things pan out.

No hard feelings its absolutely nothing personal