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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 09:04:21 AM » |
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The extra chips were about 3% of the total. Could it not just be colouring up?
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 10:01:33 AM » |
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I personally think it would be too hard to introduce 2 mill extra chips into play, who would they give them to? for them to directly benefit. I think its more likely 200 alternates for which they took the money but forgot  to add them to the official figures. |
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 11:10:02 AM » |
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This theory is most probably correct - they pinpoint when the error in the count took place and it was when the 5k chips were removed from play. Harrah's have apparently more or less admitted that this was the likely cause of the error.
What the ramifications will be, who knows? What if one of the non-advantaged players chooses to take legal action? Harrahs should be able to identify who got extra chips from the security tapes, but these could have been destroyed.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2006, 01:45:02 PM » |
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This topic was bought up while I was at WSOP when the final table was about to start.
2mill xtra chips = FAR FAR too much for "colouring up"
Very strange indeed
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2006, 01:56:32 PM » |
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I've got a taped phonecall from the guy who is after $6m from Jamie Gold.
It went "Hey Jack, listen, if u can sneak under the ropes and plunk an extra 2m chips on Jamie's stack, I'll give you 50% of my 50%"
Harrah's have currently put my $3m on hold, but I'm confident I will get it when it all blow over...
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2006, 02:15:07 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2006, 04:04:43 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2006, 04:56:07 PM » |
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A european pro picked up 10 seat receipts for 10 people he had reserved seats for and when he handed over the 4 25k chips the person at the counter asked what that was for. Before he had chance to realise what was going on the person at the counter realised what a clanger had been made and took the 100k- does everyone really believe this was the only person this happened to? I would say it is far more likely there were 200 people in the tournament who didn't pay because Harrahs couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery and a decision was made to just "forget" to include these people in the final player count. You can imagine Harrahs head of whatever dept, "Just because we've cocked up and forget to collect money from a few people doesnt mean we are liable, we are Harrahs and we now run poker- If we aint got the money then we arent gonna pay it out"
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2006, 05:14:45 PM » |
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Aristion, if u read page 2 and 3 of the article it would explain all. They even pinpoint the exact 22 minute period if could have taken place.
Quote from page 3 of the poker news article
'A stack (20) of 5K chips equals 100,000, which is exchanged for four 25K chips. A rack of 5K chips equals 500,000 (5 X 20 X 5K), which should be exchanged for twenty 25K chips (a full stack). Here is the critical error. A five stack rack of 5K chips should swap for a single stack of 25K chips but, in fact, the color-up was made at the rate of two stacks for one rack. So anyone with a rack of 5K chips worth 500K in fact got 1 million in chips; a half million more chips than the value they should have received'
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2006, 06:23:47 PM » |
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This is what John Magill 12th place finisher in main event, said to me in a pm.
HI SHANE,
I DON'T THINK IT WAS CHEATING, BUT I CAN SAY I SAW A FEW MISTAKES MADE BY STAFF AS AS WE COLOURED UP OUR CHIPS. SO IT WOULD BE EASY FOR MANY THOUSANDS OF CHIPS HERE AND THERE TO HAVE BEEN ADDED ON QUITE INNOCIENTLY BY INEXPERIENCED FLOORSTAFF.
OVERALL WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF PLAYERS AND THE AMOUNT OF TIMES WE COLOURED UP THE CHIPS ITS REALLY NO SURPRISE WE ENDED UP WITH A COUPLE OF MILLION EXTRA.
I CAN ALSO SAY AT NO TIME DID ANY DEALER COUNT ANY PLAYERS CHIPS TO VERIFY THE COUNTS EITHER AT THE END OR START OF THE DAY, AND THE FLOOR WAS VERY SHORT STAFFED AT TIMES.
HAVING SAID ALL THAT IT WAS STILL A BRILLIANT EXPERIENCE AND I WOULD RECCOMMEND EVERY POKER PLAYER TO PLAY IN THE WSOP.
GOOD LUCK
JOHN
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2007, 11:42:26 AM » |
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hmmm...the guy didn't notice he had 1mill extra in chips? How many chips do you need to have before you don't notice 1mill extra?
Anyone know what the average chipstack was at that stage?
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2007, 11:51:41 AM » |
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I 'think' Cunninham busted him for $5M, so he mustve had like $4M before the colour ups, you'd think he'd notice.
Will get on Youtube to check it though.
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