What's justice?

[Swordpoker]

If you put a man in a suit, and a man in tracky bottoms and trainers side by side and asked the general public to say which one was a chav, what do you think the majority would say?

Chav, because you have led the answer. Ask the same person simply to describe them and you'll get a variety of answers

[Wardonkey]

The problem is that people define chavs not just by their behavior. They also class people as chavs by the way they dress and talk, as well as where they live, socialise and the jobs they do.

[RED-DOG]

If you put a man in a suit, and a man in tracky bottoms and trainers side by side and asked the general public to say which one was a chav, what do you think the majority would say?

Chav, because you have led the answer. Ask the same person simply to describe them and you'll get a variety of answers

Which is exactly my problem with this thread, it leads people to make the same assumption

[RED-DOG]

The problem is that people define chavs not just by their behavior. They also class people as chavs by the way they dress and talk, as well as where they live, socialise and the jobs they do.

Thank you!

[thetank]

Actually tank, i agree with Swordpoker.

If someone called you a thief and then i started a thread titled 'all thieves are scum', would you be angry with me for starting a thread titled like that or at the person who called you a thief.

Analogies can oftentimes be a useful tool for making a point.
The danger though, with drawing anaolgies while debating an issue is that no anaolgy is perfect.Every situation is specific and unique.

Here for instance, a thief describes someones behaviour, and a chav can be (not always) used to describe someones background, and as has been pointed out, draws its entymological roots from the Romany race.

Oh, and if you started that thread, I'd bring up Jean Valjean. He wisnae scum. 

[RED-DOG]

I had a valid point and you conceded it.

I didn't know i had!

I personally didn't like the idea of a thread solely designed to persecute a group. ANY group.

Fair enough.

[The Dundonian]

In the 80's yobs were dressed in the best of gear, as someone else on the thread said they were called "casuals" up here.  It's irellevent what you wear, it's your actions that define you into that group and not your dress sense.

[RED-DOG]

In the 80's yobs were dressed in the best of gear, as someone else on the thread said they were called "casuals" up here.  It's irellevent what you wear, it's your actions that define you into that group and not your dress sense.

Your actions define you, but the other factors define how people perceive you.

[bolt pp]

Actually tank, i agree with Swordpoker.

If someone called you a thief and then i started a thread titled 'all thieves are scum', would you be angry with me for starting a thread titled like that or at the person who called you a thief.

Was it this guy?

[totalise]

he is someone who is carrying a sack on his back. I dont like to prejudice and call him a thief just because of what he is wearing and carrying. That would be atrocious and an insult to political correctness

[RED-DOG]

If only your actions define you, why did almost everyone in my village complain to the council, outlining their fears of what I might do, the moment I arrived.

[thetank]

Also being angry and taking offence, while related, are not necessary always the same thing either.

Robin Hood man...he gave to the poor ffs.

[thetank]

If only your actions define you, why did almost everyone in my village complain to the council, outlining their fears of what I might do, the moment I arrived.

Were they afraid you would dance barefoot in the grass at 3am? 

Seriously though, out of curiosity, did the villagers prejudice dissipate over time?

[RED-DOG]

If only your actions define you, why did almost everyone in my village complain to the council, outlining their fears of what I might do, the moment I arrived.

Were they afraid you would dance barefoot in the grass at 3am? 

Seriously though, out of curiosity, did the villagers prejudice dissipate over time?

Yes, after a few weeks we were all friends, but some of them still nudge me with their elbow and say, "But your not really a real Gypsy are you?"

[thetank]