Interesting hand - What has he got? (not a trick question)

[JP]

 Game #1765098387 - Tournament Playa R&A - $40k Guaranteed (NLH) - 2,000/4,000
No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/10/11-19:49:29.5 (CST)
Table "Playa $40k 10" (MTT) -- Seat 1 is the button
Seat  1: MavFisk  (64,138 in chips)
Seat  2: cranky  (109,402 in chips)
Seat  3: Dizzy DD  (62,904 in chips)
Seat  4: grape_ape_  (146,849 in chips)
Seat  5: force17  (33,438 in chips)
Seat  6: Froggy99  (93,507 in chips)
Seat  8: IMAROBOT780  (139,944 in chips)
Seat  9: acehole__45  (39,469 in chips)
Seat 10: MrWinstons  (30,349 in chips)
cranky  : Ante (200)
Dizzy DD: Ante (200)
grape_ape_: Ante (200)
force17 : Ante (200)
Froggy99: Ante (200)
IMAROBOT780: Ante (200)
acehole__45: Ante (200)
MrWinstons: Ante (200)
MavFisk : Ante (200)
cranky  : Post Small Blind (2,000)
Dizzy DD: Post Big Blind (4,000)
Dealing...
Dealt to MavFisk [ ]
Dealt to MavFisk [ ]
grape_ape_: Fold
force17 : Fold
Froggy99: Fold
IMAROBOT780: Call (4,000)
acehole__45: Fold
MrWinstons: Fold
MavFisk : Call (4,000)
cranky  : Fold
Dizzy DD: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ ]
Dizzy DD: Bet (4,000)
IMAROBOT780: Raise (8,000)
MavFisk : Raise (19,000)
Dizzy DD: Fold
IMAROBOT780: Call (11,000)
*** TURN *** : [ ] [ ]
IMAROBOT780: Bet (11,000)
MavFisk : Call (11,000)
*** RIVER *** : [ ] [ ]
IMAROBOT780: Check
MavFisk : Bet (22,000)
IMAROBOT780: Call (22,000)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 123,800 | Board: [         ]
MavFisk bet 56,200, collected 123,800, net +67,600 (showed hand) [   ]
(three of a kind, queens)
cranky lost 2,200 (folded)
Dizzy DD lost 8,200 (folded)
grape_ape_ lost 200 (folded)
force17 lost 200 (folded)
Froggy99 lost 200 (folded)


I played this hand crazily for me. (thought this hand was quite cool and interesting)

Will fill you in on my thought process after.

What you think he has then?

[thetank]

  was my first thought, but the pre-flop limp first in doesn't really fit it.

Couldn't be a set (coz you won the pot)

Hmm, I'll stick with  .

Not sure what else he would call the big flop raise, lead out with a relatively small bet on the turn, and check-call the river.

[thetank]

maybe too.

More likely to fit it pre-flop.

[NoflopsHomer]

At first I thought it was but that makes the bet on the turn seem odd to lead into a raiser after the flop action,  unless he's trying to put a suspiciously small bet and hope you don't raise so he can see the river cheaply. Then I thought he has kings, he's worried about your re-raise on the flop in case you have a set or two pair. But the bet on the turn is just weird, he's giving you over 6:1 to call. It's a bet crying for a raise, so the only other hand I can put him on is 54sooted and he weak leads the turn looking for a raise so he can jam the pot. 

[tantrum]

To be honest, having only a hand history this thread is a guessing game.  Without much info on the players and table dynamics as well as your table image the whole possibilites are wide open for interpretation.

Everybody limps into the pot - He has a position so he can have 45/KQ/Axs or A high, Jx, Kx any connector, big pair.
On the flop unless he is crazy he has a piece of the flop or a flush draw. If he has a big pair then his play on the turn with a such a small bet might show the weakness or cry for call either way you can now call and see the river.


I just don't understand why your opponent is going all the way to the river pissing his/her chips away. By turn s/he invested half of his/her stack so unless crazy, s/he is ether on flush draw but then the call on the river is plain sily, or had a genuine hand and u got lucky, unless s/he had TT/99/and other pp except 44/55 of course and could not fold the hand.

[ifm]

For some reason i think he has pocket 8's.

[Claw75]

  possibly?

[ACE2M]

AA or KK

i think hes trapping and was annoyed when you don't raise the turn and knows hes beat on the end but has to call.

[thetank]

I'm coming round to the AA idea.

Good shout

[lazaroonie]

I reckon one of them has to be the - and he must have some part of the flop/turn to keep calling you down.

It looks like he has put you on a flush draw too, which explains his crying call of 22K on the river.

Think its looking like 

Nice river bet.

[JP]

ok I also thought he had   .

He actually had   .

This was in the first round of the final and i didn't know anything about this guy and I'd played with half the table and liked my chances so thought no reason to play a big pot so i limped also.

On the flop of 4-5-Q there was what i thought a probe bet and then a minimum raise from the chip leader so i wanted to find out as cheaply as possible if my hand was any good so I thought the best play was to raise to 19k out of a 60k stack to get the bb out and get it head up v the chip leader and see if he liked the situation. So he just called.

Turn = J

I was thinking he had a weaker Q when he called the 11k so the J is a bad card as it fits in with QJ. He then bets 12k so I figure he's either got QJ or a flush draw so i decided to just call and see what happened on the river. The pot is so big and I only have another 27k so a raise will not take down this hand. I can also come back from 27k as I would still have 8 BBs.

River = Q

Ok if he has QJ now gl to him so i'm waiting for him to set me in when he checks it. So how much to bet I thought immediately all in but decided to bet 22k and leave 5k back to make it look like i could be leaving myself a get out of jail card or maybe get him to make a crazy ass bluff at it (you never know )

He thought and paid me off. I busted him soon after when i raised with AQ and he moved in and i knew he was tilting so called. I finished 3rd and got sick luck 3 handed but ah well.

Anything you guys would've done differently? eg raise preflop or move in on turn/river

[tantrum]

AK- lolol i just saw similar hand recently the guy went all the way to river with AK.

amazing

[thetank]

The AK play wasn't too iffy till the river I thought.

To be against a draw was somewhat unlikely 67, 36, T-high flush. I don't fancy any of these hands to have called pre-flop, and save the 22k he looked you up with.


I think AQ's play on the turn was good. Shoving won't force a pass, so thoughts go to survival.

[Royal Flush]

Calling with AK is to easy, Q hi calls are the nuts.

[ifm]

At least we found out Ironsides new username