Grovsenor Grand Prix 2006 - Interactive Final Day

[TightEnd]

It's a shame that what could have a great event has been spoiled by poor stuctures.

The qualifiers (live) were crapshoots as well as far as I could tell from the updates.

If events like this want to be taken seriously then they should provide a decent structure.

45 min clock 10,000 chips its not that horrible a structure

However 240 players grinding away at pot limit makes it pretty likely you'll get crapshooty before the final table

This time last year, we were well into the final table by now

[mad m3]

great poiny homer i think its a great deal for these guys remember some of this lot got into this tourny for 100 quid

[b4matt]

Its for reasons like this IMO that Poker is behind many other pursuits.  When people are talking about re-distributing the wealth of the prizepool with 13 players remainng its a joke.

Half the time I don't see the point in tournaments continuing once they reach a final table. 

I think it's a very good deal for all concerned. 13th was going to only get £1,500 and even 8th gets just £5,200. Apart from MrAlex2u, most had solid stacks yet only around 12- 18 BB's where one coinflip or outdraw could easily cost them tens of thousands of pounds. Now everyone gets 6th place money of £10,000 and the chance of £75,000 still. This is a decision entirely influenced by the structure.

Alex 'MrAlex2u' has just gone in 13th with against Zippy's pocket . He's happy with the deal (as he would be obviously) but everyone else from chip leader Mick Fletcher with about 300k to Robert Romanello with 250k, agreed with it too. And there's still very good money from 1st to 5th anyway.

V ggod post from a man on the scene.

Its for reasons like this IMO that Poker is behind many other pursuits.  When people are talking about re-distributing the wealth of the prizepool with 13 players remainng its a joke.

Half the time I don't see the point in tournaments continuing once they reach a final table. 

put yourself in the players shoes. Say you had 90 odd k and less than 7BB and the deal is offered, would you turn it down?

I can understand the reasons behind it, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them.  Doing a deal 13 handed is bordering on a joke IMO.

I personally reckon the gaming board should step in and outlaw deals.   If poker ever wants to ever be taken seriously then these sort of things have to be put to bed.

wtf has it got to do with the gaming board?

I couldn't agree more. YTF would you want the government to have legislation on the way we choose to chop up poker money?

[AndrewT]

I guess for most the players in this comp, the difference between winning 75k and 100k isn't that great, yet going home with 10k rather than 1k is huge.

Nail/head interface.

[tikay]

Great deal for the short stacks but why on earth would the chipleaders agree to this?

Perhaps it's the pressure of 10 other players proposing a deal. Not sure.

There was no pressure - the Deal was tabled by one player in a quiet & logical way. No raised voices, no arguments, it's clear they ALL wanted to redistribute the Prize Money. They fiddled with the detail for a while, but the agreement in principle was accepted almost immediately it was tabled. It was smiley-smiley happy-happy all the way, from everyone.

[mad m3]

thought u wud be in bed matt bit late for u

[bobo28]

the reason these deals are done, must be blamed on the casinos, they must make the prizes less top heavy,

[TightEnd]

the reason these deals are done, must be blamed on the casinos, they must make the prizes less top heavy,

to be fair, first prize was down to 33% of the prize fund, its not like the 40% it was.

[b4matt]

thought u wud be in bed matt bit late for u

Just cheering zippy on there bungle :-0
oh and distributing bad beats on the yanks. C U in dublin m8s

[byronkincaid]

chipleader or shorty I would have taken that deal.

[mad m3]

my nick name is not bungle nick will tell u my new nickname im waiting to get it copyrighted lol

[RobS]

Great deal for the short stacks but why on earth would the chipleaders agree to this?

Why shouldn't he?

If any of the other stacks double through Roberto or Mick, then these two would be seriously crippled and unlikely to get a big pay-out.

Well you answered the question yourself, they could agree to the deal later if they do lose some of their chips. All I'm saying is that the deal is -EV for the big stacks, no doubt about it, and massively +EV for the shortest stack.

I do understand of course that people like the idea of locking up £10k though and well done to all involved.

[b4matt]

my nick name is not bungle nick will tell u my new nickname im waiting to get it copyrighted lol

Is this the nick name coined by Bradshaw? it's not pc... you'll be eating pig next 
Love u man.... Gooooooo on zippy

[tikay]

It's a shame that what could have a great event has been spoiled by poor stuctures.

The qualifiers (live) were crapshoots as well as far as I could tell from the updates.

If events like this want to be taken seriously then they should provide a decent structure.

45 min clock 10,000 chips its not that horrible a structure

However 240 players grinding away at pot limit makes it pretty likely you'll get crapshooty before the final table

This time last year, we were well into the final table by now

What folks forget is that "good structures" is a function of how much time there is available to play the Event.

With the time they had available, 2 days, (& two Flights on Day One due to capacity problems) it was simply not possible to have a better structure. Different, yes, but better?, I doubt it.

45 minutes is not ideal for a comp with a £100k Winners Prize, nor is missing out the 75-150 & 150-300 Levels - but how else do you fit a 240 player comp into 2 days when Capacity at the Venue is under 200?

I hope the 2007 renewal has two FULL Opening Days. Then they can do something with the structure & clock.

Given the time available, I think the Structure was as good as it could be made, give or take tinkering with the levels in a minor & subjective way.

[NoflopsHomer]

I have just been speaking to Roberto, Mick and Tony Adderley (who came up with the deal) and they all were adamant that one outdraw, coinflip or cold-decked hand would cost them a lot of money. For example, Mike Quayle has just gone in 12th position he ran Tens into Matt Cartwright's Queens leaving him with just 700 left which shortly got him knocked out when he ran into the Peter Smyth's 10-high flush. Both Matt and Mike had fairly medium stacks and if either had gone out there they get just £2,000. Instead they're all getting £10,000 with a chance for a lot more.

The truth is everyone agreed to the deal fairly quickly, no-one really held out, and, and I really must stress this, the final two tables have been played in a geuninely pleasant and friendly spirit between all the players. No-one has been angling for more or anything else, so I applaud the players for making a logical and sensible deal for all concerned.