Should this stop n go have worked????

[Pab]

Had juat lost a 46k pot, with AK vs JJ was desperate for chips, i cant call if the roles are reveresed...........


PokerStars Game #6648959959: Tournament #33302719, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (750/1500) - 2006/10/15 - 21:52:36 (ET)
Table '33302719 23' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: westmenloAA (43733 in chips)
Seat 2: Cre8ive (104169 in chips)
Seat 4: Paolo69 (12692 in chips)
Seat 5: Lurchman (31783 in chips)
Seat 6: lovesimi (16915 in chips)
Seat 7: dk1234 (20411 in chips)
Seat 8: horse_uk (10916 in chips)
Seat 9: benbas11 (101030 in chips)
westmenloAA: posts the ante 75
Cre8ive: posts the ante 75
Paolo69: posts the ante 75
Lurchman: posts the ante 75
lovesimi: posts the ante 75
dk1234: posts the ante 75
horse_uk: posts the ante 75
benbas11: posts the ante 75
Cre8ive: posts small blind 750
Paolo69: posts big blind 1500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Paolo69 [ ]
Lurchman: folds
lovesimi: folds
dk1234: folds
horse_uk: folds
benbas11: raises 3000 to 4500
westmenloAA: folds
Cre8ive: folds
Paolo69: calls 3000
*** FLOP *** [ Ah ]
Paolo69: bets 8117 and is all-in
hung 15 is connected
benbas11: calls 8117
Cre8ive said, "dang i had AT clubs this time =p"
Paolo69 said, "ffffffffffffffffffff"
*** TURN *** [ Ah ] []
westmenloAA said, "very nice call"
*** RIVER *** [ Ah ] []
Cre8ive said, "dang why di di muck"
Cre8ive said, "nh"
benbas11 said, "gg"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Paolo69: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Fives)
benbas11: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Fives - Ace+King kicker)
benbas11 collected 26584 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 26584 | Rake 0
Board [ Ah ]
Seat 1: westmenloAA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Cre8ive (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Paolo69 (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 5: Lurchman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lovesimi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dk1234 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: horse_uk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: benbas11 showed [ ] and won (26584) with three of a kind, Fives

[SupaMonkey]

I think it should but maybe he would have expected you to check it to him if you had the ace and push preflop with a pp.

[boldie]

I think it should but maybe he would have expected you to check it to him if you had the ace and push preflop with a pp.

it's a truly shocking call. simple as that really. Sure he's got 103k in chips but what's he calling this bet for? Pab was on the BB so could have any two  cards..including the 5, Ace and the FD...if he has any part of the flop the guy who called is behind...even to a pocketpair he's behind...

I couldn't make that call with that hand.

[SupaMonkey]

Yes but he's ahead if Pab doesn't have a piece of the board. Hence, if he thinks Pab wouldn't be pushing here with a hand, he calls.

[booder]

hi pab..........as you are obviously a newbie , may i suggest you pm one of our premier players , mr colchester kev. i am sure he would be only too happy to help you with the complexities of no limit texas hold em.


regards  

the colonel

[Pab]

pm sent, 

[boldie]

Yes but he's ahead if Pab doesn't have a piece of the board. Hence, if he thinks Pab wouldn't be pushing here with a hand, he calls.

that's an interesting point...
Like I said pab could also have a pocketpair and be ahead but...IMO some bets you just can't call. this would be one of them, you are only ahead to a complete bluff. it's a waste of chips IMO. He had the chips to call him and that's why he did. He wouldn't have called this is he had 50k chips as opposed to his 103k

[matt674]

Was going to comment on the hand until i saw one vital piece of information

$200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (750/1500) - 2006/10/15 - 21:52:36 (ET)

Its the sunday donk-a-thon on pokerstars, a tournament full of $2 triple shootout and turbo satellite qualifiers. Most of whom don't even think about what their opponents may be holding in their hand let alone the complexities of stop 'n' go plays. Provided they have two cards that add up to 20 or more in go the chips - hey it works on celebrity poker club!!

[Pab]

it was the 2nd chance comp matt, no direct sattelites that i know of. 

[matt674]

it was the 2nd chance comp matt, no direct sattelites that i know of. 

i know quite a few people now who win their seat into the big one and unregister to play the second chance as there are less runners.

either way i've noted the name just in case our paths cross on the green baize - i like people who call all in bets with king high no pair no draw

[Pab]

so do I....


when i dont have Q high, 

[tantrum]

The only problem is his stack; I am not a big fan of going against huge stacks with the bluff. 

With your stack, being tight, tight rock, I would be reluctant to flat call his raise with QJ and planning stop and go.  At this stage of tourney, IMO the stack sizes are very important, and the smart moves work better on medium stacks; they are dangerous against short and big ones. If he calls you and you are not bluffing, he still has 90k left. 

[action man]

i think its a very good call. It is doubt full pab would just flat call preflop with any Ace, maybe AA but even if he did why would he chase his opponent off.

Pab's oppo also expects  him to push or fold a small pocket pair, i think his opponent put him on filth or 88,99, or TT. If pab has filth he is infront, if pab has 88,99,TT he has outs.

[NoflopsHomer]

hi pab..........as you are obviously a newbie , may i suggest you pm one of our premier players , mr colchester kev. i am sure he would be only too happy to help you with the complexities of no limit texas hold em.


regards 

the colonel

 

[NoflopsHomer]

i think its a very good call. It is doubt full pab would just flat call preflop with any Ace, maybe AA but even if he did why would he chase his opponent off.

Pab's oppo also expects  him to push or fold a small pocket pair, i think his opponent put him on filth or 88,99, or TT. If pab has filth he is infront, if pab has 88,99,TT he has outs.