why call on flop here ?

[Ironside]

PokerStars Game #2507603309: Tournament #12053612, Hold'em Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/09/05 - 20:44:12 (ET)
Table '12053612 3' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: e4f9j3l3 (1655 in chips)
Seat 2: Dunsurv (4605 in chips)
Seat 3: Ironside (5025 in chips)
Seat 4: crip17 (1685 in chips)
Seat 5: jford (5800 in chips)
Seat 6: onogod (3165 in chips)
Seat 7: TigerScream (2275 in chips)
Seat 8: BOSS HOGG (1240 in chips)
Seat 9: Annette (1410 in chips)
Annette: posts small blind 15
e4f9j3l3: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [As ]
Dunsurv said, "then why the bet"
Dunsurv said, "mmmmmmm"
Dunsurv: folds
Ironside: calls 30
crip17: raises 60 to 90
jford: folds
onogod: folds
TigerScream: calls 90
BOSS HOGG: folds
Annette: folds
e4f9j3l3: folds
Annette re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $20.00
Ironside: raises 315 to 405
crip17: folds
TigerScream: calls 315
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: bets 945
TigerScream: calls 945
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Ironside: bets 2835
TigerScream: calls 925 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ironside: shows [As ] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
TigerScream: shows [ ] (two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
TigerScream collected 4685 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4685 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: e4f9j3l3 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Dunsurv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Ironside showed [As ] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 4: crip17 folded before Flop
Seat 5: jford folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: onogod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: TigerScream showed [ ] and won (4685) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 8: BOSS HOGG (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Annette (small blind) folded before Flop


the guy calls on the flop here surely he must know he has to raise all in there is no way i can fold on flop or turn and if the turn is an AK he cant fold and has to put the rest of his chips in as a dog

if he has me on an overpair what is he calling for
if he has me on overcards surely he has to get his chips in as a favourite

[jammer]

yup, seems a funny call to be sure iron, but i've seen it done many a time, where the opponent is very timid and concerned that you have a higher overpair, without realising that a call is practically committing his whole stack anyhow. He gave you a chance of hitting, so long may it last

However the flat call at the time would have set alarm bells ringing, especially given the amount - no flush draw on the flop, not enough odds to call for the straight draw if somehow he was holding a 5, and too many chips in already to be lining up a bluff - I'd be worried that the interpretation would be he had a made hand or an overpair (but certainly a lot bigger than 77). Perhaps given the flat calling nature a check might have been a better option at the end?

[Ironside]

no checking the turn would have left me needing to call his bet getting practically 4-1

[jammer]

what did you put him on though? if an overpair then 4-1 to hit an A or a K , that's 6 from 46 (about 7-1?), and out the tourney Course its hard to give you any real comments because it all comes down to how the guy was playing beforehand, to try and infer any sort of info from his huge flat call. One for the player notes I reckon.

[Gamblor21]

or he thinks that u will bluff off the rest of ur chips on the turn! he has made a decision that he is not passing the 77 no matter what comes on the turn??? would you have passed the ak on the flop? I have made calls like this as i no that the opponnent will put the rest of his chips in even if he misses... its risky but a chance u can sometimes take to build chips!

i like the play sometimes... just depends on what type of player ur playing, many players will fire one bulet then not again on the turn so u can move in without any hand! Calling just to bluff on the turn or river!

At-iT

[Ironside]

it was still rebuy stage of a super sat and i had him covered

i decided to limp reraise from EP once i reraise knowing i was first to act on flop i could either check and let him take it away with a bet or comit if i bet out on flop i have to be prepared to commit all his chips

[bhoywonder]

some people cant lay down pp's ......the board never scared him..dunno why..would have scared me...

but he should have went all in much earlier...

guys like him will pay u off in the long run as i'm sure u already know

[redsimon]

Funnily enough TigersCream is one of the better Limit Tourny players there. Seems a real "limit" call

[matt674]

Funnily enough TigersCream is one of the better Limit Tourny players there. Seems a real "limit" call

i wouldnt say one of the better players for hold-em but he does tend to play limit poker. Of his 25 cashes on pokerstars in mtt's 24 of them were in limit poker and only 1 in N/L. but of those 24 limit cashes 16 were in 7 card stud and only 8 in hold-em

so my guess would be that he's not a very good no-limit hold-em player and cant figure out whether he's in front or behind and would just call you down with any kind of hand.

[Royal Flush]

Seems to me like he played it perfect.

Like Ian says if he believes he is ahead then why not let you bluff of the rst of your stack?!!?!?!?!?

Even more so when its the rebuy stage!

[Ironside]

Seems to me like he played it perfect.

Like Ian says if he believes he is ahead then why not let you bluff of the rst of your stack?!!?!?!?!?

Even more so when its the rebuy stage!

if he believe he was infront he was still going to get paid if he raised

only thing calling did was mean that if i did hit he would be putting his stack in with the worst of it

[Royal Flush]

So you would call of all ur chips with A hi?

[Ironside]

no but i would call the 925 left to go in with A hi

[jammer]

no but i would call the 925 left to go in with A hi

well if you think you are committed to going all in anyway, you might as well check on the turn given the rag turn card, and you never know he might check through. Better still if you do put him on an overpair, if a picture comes on the river you might be able to knock him off with an all in then.

Given the called on the flop and the turn was another dud, he can't be folding to your all in - which maybe means you lost a bit of leverage you could have used on the river.

[Ironside]

i said i was commited to going all in so raising gives me another chance to win which check calling doesnt