Oasis

[booder]

also if you are talking about sales you would have to factor in the relevant population and disposable income criteria as well

I'm not so sure.

Look at cinema audiences in the 30's and 40's compared to now. The relevant populations and disposable incomes are much much larger today but audiences are many times smaller than back then.

they didnt have videos , dvds , computers etc back then

[snoopy1239]

. patsy kensit best wife/girlfriend

I have always liked Patsy Kensit.  She is in a crappy soap series now on TV apparently, I have not seen her for years though since she was married to one of them

rubbish in bed tho...

[snoopy1239]

Oasis? You jest. They have not penned a song worth of inclusion in the top million, not cut an album good enough to be used as a coaster, and not impressed any grown-ups with their infantile behaviour.

Tikay? You jest. Sales speak for themselves. Artists don't 'cut' albums anymore. By 'grown-ups', do you mean the over 60's?

The sales mean nothing - except to indicate that the buyers were starved of decent quality music, so they had to buy junk, such as Oasis, or The Smiths.

In the 60's & 70's we were treated to real quality music. Beatles, Eagles, The Hollies, Floyd, Yardbirds, ELP, ELO, Yes, Eric Clapton in his various guises, Genesis, Dire Straits, Rod Stewart, Deep Purple, all of these & hundreds more had more talent in their fingernails than Oasis & The Smiths had in total. Some of them could actually sing, or play their own instruments. Some of them even turned up to play their gigs..........

Derek & The Dominos and Cream for me. Not overly keen on his stuff with Yardbirds & Blind Faith.

[snoopy1239]

and Snoopy likes Russ Abbot

It would never hold up in court!

[snoopy1239]

Morning Glory > Definitely Maybe for me, although I admit it's a close call.

This is the same argument I had with all my Uni friends, back in the late nineties - we were already getting nostalgic for the mid-nineties!

They all went for Definitely Maybe, leaving me alone to defend the second album. No surprise to me then that the debut is killing this poll.... a tough ask, but for me there simply isn't an unmemorable track on Morning Glory.

 

I agree Definitely Maybe is a cracking debut album but, for me, Morning Glory is clearly superior on strength of songs.   I feel it's just become very trendy to say DM was the best Oasis album. 

"Don't believe the truth" isn't too bad an album either certainly the best since the first two.

The Oasis Greatest hits comes out very soon too.......now that will be a belter for anyone who hasn't bought any Oasis since the first two albums! 

There's a difference between a collection of songs and an album, as the latter, Definitely Maybe is far superior.

[snoopy1239]

The sales mean nothing

I have to disagree. Everyone's view on music is different and unique but the sales determine who was accepted by the widest variety of people.

Sales mean everything IMO.

i think that in the modern era of free download sites , sales mean very little.

True, but Oasis' first two albums (which sold a kabillion copies) were before that.

Steps sold a lot of records too...

[The Baron]

also if you are talking about sales you would have to factor in the relevant population and disposable income criteria as well

I'm not so sure.

Look at cinema audiences in the 30's and 40's compared to now. The relevant populations and disposable incomes are much much larger today but audiences are many times smaller than back then.

they didnt have videos , dvds , computers etc back then

Again true but they still had larger audiences back then than in ANY other decade; videos, dvds, computers or not.

[booder]

Again true but they still had larger audiences back then than in ANY other decade; videos, dvds, computers or not.

BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO

[NoflopsHomer]

The sales mean nothing

I have to disagree. Everyone's view on music is different and unique but the sales determine who was accepted by the widest variety of people.

Sales mean everything IMO.

i think that in the modern era of free download sites , sales mean very little.

True, but Oasis' first two albums (which sold a kabillion copies) were before that.

Steps sold a lot of records too...

People underestimate the depth of the purses of pre-pubescent white girls.

[I, Zimbra]

Morning Glory > Definitely Maybe for me, although I admit it's a close call.

This is the same argument I had with all my Uni friends, back in the late nineties - we were already getting nostalgic for the mid-nineties!

They all went for Definitely Maybe, leaving me alone to defend the second album. No surprise to me then that the debut is killing this poll.... a tough ask, but for me there simply isn't an unmemorable track on Morning Glory.

 

I agree Definitely Maybe is a cracking debut album but, for me, Morning Glory is clearly superior on strength of songs.   I feel it's just become very trendy to say DM was the best Oasis album. 

"Don't believe the truth" isn't too bad an album either certainly the best since the first two.

The Oasis Greatest hits comes out very soon too.......now that will be a belter for anyone who hasn't bought any Oasis since the first two albums! 

There's a difference between a collection of songs and an album, as the latter, Definitely Maybe is far superior.

As Red says, it's not the kind of argument one can really "win" (it's subjective), but it is fun sometimes to kick the ball around, even if no goals are scored.

For example, a lot of the people who discovered Oasis after they became massive for Morning Glory, had to be looked down the length of the noses of everyone who already knew them from Definitely Maybe, who could then go "yeah, but we were there first..."

As Keithy says, it was also trendy to praise DM over MG; partly I think because the Gallaghers themselves always said that they thought the first album was so much better - and who would disagree with the guys that wrote it?

I still think Morning Glory is better, I don't think it's fared worse with age than the debut. It even survives the Gary Glitter sample it used on Track one, and that's no mean feat.

Lastly - I still hear some of the non-singles from Morning Glory get played on the radio quite frequently (I'm thinking 'Champagne Supernova', 'She's Electric' and 'Cast No Shadow' in particular), whereas the non-singles from Definitely Maybe never seem to get played. Is that any sort of criteria for relative success?

[snoopy1239]

Morning Glory > Definitely Maybe for me, although I admit it's a close call.

This is the same argument I had with all my Uni friends, back in the late nineties - we were already getting nostalgic for the mid-nineties!

They all went for Definitely Maybe, leaving me alone to defend the second album. No surprise to me then that the debut is killing this poll.... a tough ask, but for me there simply isn't an unmemorable track on Morning Glory.

 

I agree Definitely Maybe is a cracking debut album but, for me, Morning Glory is clearly superior on strength of songs.   I feel it's just become very trendy to say DM was the best Oasis album. 

"Don't believe the truth" isn't too bad an album either certainly the best since the first two.

The Oasis Greatest hits comes out very soon too.......now that will be a belter for anyone who hasn't bought any Oasis since the first two albums! 

There's a difference between a collection of songs and an album, as the latter, Definitely Maybe is far superior.

As Red says, it's not the kind of argument one can really "win" (it's subjective), but it is fun sometimes to kick the ball around, even if no goals are scored.

For example, a lot of the people who discovered Oasis after they became massive for Morning Glory, had to be looked down the length of the noses of everyone who already knew them from Definitely Maybe, who could then go "yeah, but we were there first..."

As Keithy says, it was also trendy to praise DM over MG; partly I think because the Gallaghers themselves always said that they thought the first album was so much better - and who would disagree with the guys that wrote it?

I still think Morning Glory is better, I don't think it's fared worse with age than the debut. It even survives the Gary Glitter sample it used on Track one, and that's no mean feat.

Lastly - I still hear some of the non-singles from Morning Glory get played on the radio quite frequently (I'm thinking 'Champagne Supernova', 'She's Electric' and 'Cast No Shadow' in particular), whereas the non-singles from Definitely Maybe never seem to get played. Is that any sort of criteria for relative success?

As I said, just because an album has good stand out songs on it that do well in the charts or are still played on the radio doesn't necessary make it a better album.

For instance, have you ever listened to a 'Best Of' and thought, "It's okay, but it's not as good as one of their proper albums"? For example, The Best of The Clash is of course going to have all their good songs, but as an album, it's never going to surpass London Calling.

Of course, if you buy an album and play the odd song now and then, then Morning Glory might be your prefered choice. However, when it comes to listening to an album in its entirety, I consider Definitely Maybe to be far superior as the songs join together as a whole to reflect a real sense of buzz, energy and vigour. Music had become rather dull during this period and Oasis gave it a kick up the ass, a burst of life that is reflected in the album as a whole, not just a couple of songs.

Like London Calling, Definitely Maybe is somewhat of a culteral statement and a reflection of the times, and it is this which makes it a better album than the ultimately rather empty and unsatisfying Morning Glory.

[Newmanseye]

Morning Glory > Definitely Maybe for me, although I admit it's a close call.

This is the same argument I had with all my Uni friends, back in the late nineties - we were already getting nostalgic for the mid-nineties!

They all went for Definitely Maybe, leaving me alone to defend the second album. No surprise to me then that the debut is killing this poll.... a tough ask, but for me there simply isn't an unmemorable track on Morning Glory.

 

I agree Definitely Maybe is a cracking debut album but, for me, Morning Glory is clearly superior on strength of songs.   I feel it's just become very trendy to say DM was the best Oasis album. 

"Don't believe the truth" isn't too bad an album either certainly the best since the first two.

The Oasis Greatest hits comes out very soon too.......now that will be a belter for anyone who hasn't bought any Oasis since the first two albums! 

There's a difference between a collection of songs and an album, as the latter, Definitely Maybe is far superior.

As Red says, it's not the kind of argument one can really "win" (it's subjective), but it is fun sometimes to kick the ball around, even if no goals are scored.

For example, a lot of the people who discovered Oasis after they became massive for Morning Glory, had to be looked down the length of the noses of everyone who already knew them from Definitely Maybe, who could then go "yeah, but we were there first..."

As Keithy says, it was also trendy to praise DM over MG; partly I think because the Gallaghers themselves always said that they thought the first album was so much better - and who would disagree with the guys that wrote it?

I still think Morning Glory is better, I don't think it's fared worse with age than the debut. It even survives the Gary Glitter sample it used on Track one, and that's no mean feat.

Lastly - I still hear some of the non-singles from Morning Glory get played on the radio quite frequently (I'm thinking 'Champagne Supernova', 'She's Electric' and 'Cast No Shadow' in particular), whereas the non-singles from Definitely Maybe never seem to get played. Is that any sort of criteria for relative success?

As I said, just because an album has good stand out songs on it that do well in the charts or are still played on the radio doesn't necessary make it a better album.

For instance, have you ever listened to a 'Best Of' and thought, "It's okay, but it's not as good as one of their proper albums"? For example, The Best of The Clash is of course going to have all their good songs, but as an album, it's never going to surpass London Calling.

Of course, if you buy an album and play the odd song now and then, then Morning Glory might be your prefered choice. However, when it comes to listening to an album in its entirety, I consider Definitely Maybe to be far superior as the songs join together as a whole to reflect a real sense of buzz, energy and vigour. Music had become rather dull during this period and Oasis gave it a kick up the ass, a burst of life that is reflected in the album as a whole, not just a couple of songs.

Like London Calling, Definitely Maybe is somewhat of a culteral statement and a reflection of the times, and it is this which makes it a better album than the ultimately rather empty and unsatisfying Morning Glory.

Great post snoops, great post

[tikay]

Please. NO MORE talk of Oasis. You may discuss proper bands, but not this Oasis or Smiths nonsense. Right?

[Newmanseye]

Please. NO MORE talk of Oasis. You may discuss proper bands, but not this Oasis or Smiths nonsense. Right?

Tikay the bands in question may not be rock legends like The Who, Led Zeppelin or even Deep Purple but the have contributed a lot to the generations they connected with.

the smiths for example was just timing genius, there was a whole generation of jilted teens who didn't quite fit and they completely related to Morrisey's lyrics and the moody soundtrack offered by a breakthrough band, Willie Russel explains it a lot better than i ever could in his book "the wrong Boy"

Oasis did something similar as there was a huge gap in the musical market of 1993 - 1994, techno tunes were dominating the charts and here comes this band with a rough, badly organised mess that somehow makes a fantastic song ( live forever). 

Ohh I had to delete a whole paragraph there, i was comparing Oasis or Led Zeppelin and I realised I was being bloody daft, as good as oasis are or have been they are no patch on Zep.   

I did have an interesting conversation tonight about the Jimmi Hendrix experience, now what a Band that was, only as it had Jimmi in the band  lol

[snoopy1239]

Yeah, you tell im! Don't let him bully you, Billy.