Could i do anything different?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

PokerStars Game #6726496329: Tournament #34224849, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/22 - 11:20:03 (ET)
Table '34224849 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lwrunner103 (1085 in chips)
Seat 2: sc00ter182 (2990 in chips)
Seat 4: bmj19 (2175 in chips)
Seat 5: rookieITB (1205 in chips)
Seat 6: kramerica099 (4335 in chips)
Seat 7: 7LES (1710 in chips)
sc00ter182: posts small blind 75
bmj19: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rookieITB [ ]
rookieITB: raises 1055 to 1205 and is all-in
kramerica099: folds
7LES: calls 1205
lwrunner103: folds
sc00ter182: folds
bmj19: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
rookieITB said, "lol"
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rookieITB: shows [ ] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
7LES: shows [ ] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
7LES collected 2635 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2635 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: lwrunner103 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sc00ter182 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bmj19 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: rookieITB showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 6: kramerica099 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 7LES showed [ ] and won (2635) with two pair, Jacks and Eights


Question in the title, anything anyone thinks i could do differently? Its turbo, blinds every 5 mins. Also, would you make his call?

[GlasgowBandit]

I don't think u done anything wrong and I would have called had I been LES7 I would have probably put u on a small PP with the push though and would have convinced myself in 10 secs we where in a race.

[NoflopsHomer]

Unlucky rooks, thetank is I think the real expert here for this situation. But it's a deffo push and only a mug calls for 3/4's of his stack with KJo, he's praying he might be in a race. In the turbos I find no matter what amount of skill you have, unless you get a card rush early, you have to win at least one coin flip to cash.

[NoflopsHomer]

I don't think u done anything wrong and I would have called had I been LES7 I would have probably put u on a small PP with the push though and would have convinced myself in 10 secs we where in a race.

So you gamble away most of your stack hoping you're racing?

Far too much uncertainty for me. Easy pass.

[GlasgowBandit]

I don't think u done anything wrong and I would have called had I been LES7 I would have probably put u on a small PP with the push though and would have convinced myself in 10 secs we where in a race.

So you gamble away most of your stack hoping you're racing?

Far too much uncertainty for me. Easy pass.

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In a turbo tourney I do.  As you say unless you get a card rush early or indeed accumulate chips your dead in the water. 

I mean they have already played 3 levels this is the 4th, the guy could have been getting nuffin and this maybe the best hand he has picked up we don't know.  But with 3 playres down and someone pushes pre flop I am prepared to gamble with my KJ in this situation.

[Jim-D]

Absolutely nothing wrong Rookie,

And i dont even blink when i muck the rubbish KJ here if im the "villain"

[Jim-D]

its not a turbo in a true sense, its just that the blinds go up every 5 mins not 10,  There can still be a bit of play in these

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Oh yeah plenty of play. I often basically blind down until we get into the 100/200 stages before i start worrying and making moves.

[NoflopsHomer]

I don't think u done anything wrong and I would have called had I been LES7 I would have probably put u on a small PP with the push though and would have convinced myself in 10 secs we where in a race.

So you gamble away most of your stack hoping you're racing?

Far too much uncertainty for me. Easy pass.

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In a turbo tourney I do.  As you say unless you get a card rush early or indeed accumulate chips your dead in the water. 

I mean they have already played 3 levels this is the 4th, the guy could have been getting nuffin and this maybe the best hand he has picked up we don't know.  But with 3 playres down and someone pushes pre flop I am prepared to gamble with my KJ in this situation.

 

[Wardonkey]

Easy push.

Easy pass.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Ok then... you all push here too right?

PokerStars Game #6727035699: Tournament #34227821, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/22 - 12:22:31 (ET)
Table '34227821 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: chaser2 (1075 in chips)
Seat 4: rookieITB (965 in chips)
Seat 5: alebcbtc (1980 in chips)
Seat 6: mykthesith (1887 in chips)
Seat 7: confiteor (2792 in chips)
Seat 8: kramerica099 (4801 in chips)
confiteor: posts small blind 75
kramerica099: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rookieITB [ ]
chaser2: folds
rookieITB: raises 815 to 965 and is all-in
alebcbtc: folds
mykthesith: calls 965
confiteor: folds
kramerica099: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
rookieITB said, "wtf"
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rookieITB: shows [ ] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
mykthesith: shows [Ah ] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
mykthesith collected 2155 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2155 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: chaser2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rookieITB showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fours
Seat 5: alebcbtc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mykthesith (button) showed [Ah ] and won (2155) with two pair, Eights and Fours
Seat 7: confiteor (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: kramerica099 (big blind) folded before Flop


Just had another, do you call the all in on the flop?

PokerStars Game #6727045282: Tournament #34227756, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/22 - 12:23:34 (ET)
Table '34227756 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: machado28 (3575 in chips)
Seat 3: elmagopr (1575 in chips)
Seat 5: rookieITB (2380 in chips)
Seat 6: Drayle (3630 in chips)
Seat 7: poketang (2340 in chips)
poketang: posts small blind 75
machado28: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rookieITB [Ah ]
elmagopr: folds
rookieITB: raises 300 to 450
Drayle: calls 450
poketang: folds
machado28: folds
*** FLOP *** [As ]
rookieITB: bets 450
Drayle: raises 2730 to 3180 and is all-in
rookieITB: calls 1480 and is all-in
poketang said, "vvnh"
*** TURN *** [As ] []
*** RIVER *** [As ] []
rookieITB said, "sick flop"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rookieITB: shows [Ah ] (three of a kind, Aces)
Drayle: shows [ ] (a full house, Fours full of Aces)
Drayle collected 4985 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4985 | Rake 0
Board [As ]
Seat 1: machado28 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: elmagopr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: rookieITB showed [Ah ] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: Drayle (button) showed [ ] and won (4985) with a full house, Fours full of Aces
Seat 7: poketang (small blind) folded before Flop

[GlasgowBandit]

The first one I follow the looney about every table he plays and take his cash off him.

2nd one I call, won't push if i have a set so I put him on a weak ace.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

The first one I follow the looney about every table he plays and take his cash off him.

2nd one I call, won't push if i have a set so I put him on a weak ace.

Whats different with the 77 vs A8, and the 10 10 vs JK? Why have you different opinions on both?

[Sheriff Fatman]

Just run the first one through SnGPT, assuming a 'loose' calling range for the other players and 'maniac' calling range for the guy who called.

EV fold = $45.85
EV push = $53.10

Based on that, its a fairly clear push as the EV difference is fairly significant.

Sheriff

[GlasgowBandit]

The first one I follow the looney about every table he plays and take his cash off him.

2nd one I call, won't push if i have a set so I put him on a weak ace.

Whats different with the 77 vs A8, and the 10 10 vs JK? Why have you different opinions on both?

I just don't like a call in that situation with A 8.  KJ has more possibilitiies.  Even if he puts you on a low pair its possible you may be holding something like 9's to J's then he only has one over card. 

If we use the same scenario as the first one I would have put you on something like 2's through to 7's on the first hand and I think my two overcards are strong and in this type of tourney I am willing to gamble against you here.

The 8 kicker with an Ace is very weak and even if he puts you on an Ace he has to think you have him outkicked.