77 UTG, deep in MTT

[Moskvich]

I find this sort of situation really tricky - would be really interested to hear how people would play it.

Just into the money, 16 players left from about 150-odd. I've just made a run from about 5k to nearly 20k. Not too much to report about other players - table chip leader hasn't shown much inclination to get involved. Opponent here has fairly recently been moved to this table, if I recall rightly. Has taken down a couple of pots uncontested.

Chip counts are:

Seat 2: XX (7265 in chips)
Seat 3: XX (16630 in chips)
Seat 5: XX (2755 in chips)
Seat 6: XX (7850 in chips)
Seat 7: ME (19025 in chips)
Seat 8: XX (26395 in chips)
Seat 9: XX (6550 in chips)
Seat 10: OPPONENT (13955 in chips)

Average chip count is about 14k.

Blinds are 300-600, 75 ante.

I'm dealt 77 UTG.

I realise there's a lot of 'it depends' about it, but what would you be inclined to do here?

I raise to 1800. All pass to opponent, who reraises to 3600, blinds pass.

Now what?

I call.

Flop comes .

Now what?

I bet 4,000, which prompts an all-in raise. So I've got roughly 11.5k left, and it's about another 6k for me to call.

Now what?

I'll check back later and tell you what I did - thanks for any thoughts.

Cheers.

[The_Diamond]

Don't lead out. Check fold.

[snoopy1239]

I would have folded pre-flop. Any sort of action is going to put you in a spot of bother. There are plenty of better opportunities and situations for you to invest so many chips.

Once you get to the flop, you should probably do what The Diamond says.

[fishguts]

Don't lead out. Check fold.

i disagree...if you raise preflop and then call a 1800 reraise you cant just hope to hit a set and fold everything else...

anyway.... let's see...after the preflop action there's about 7,5K in the pot...you bet 4K so , when the opponent moves all in he's got about 10K left, so it's 6K to call for you in a 21,5K pot...hard to fold more than 3,5 to 1...but what could he have?

a) total bluff : you are about a 70% favourite against 2 high cards if he's not on the flush draw...he reraised preflop so its very improbable he's got only 1 overcard

b) 2 high cards of clubs : you have a 45% chance to win the pot against 2 overcards of clubs...and with the action we've see AK , AQ of clubs are more than possible

c) higher pair : AA KK QQ JJ are probable here...and you only have about 12% chance against them...

d) under pair-connectors-A9-K9-A6-K6 are very unlikely given the action preflop...

now we have to give a) , b)  and c) a %...

a) i give the bluff a 15% chance...may seem a bit high...but you see a lot of crazy and weird plays online...15% seems about right
b) the flush draw looks possible to me...but nothing more than a 25% chance
c) the higher pair looks to be the more likely hand he's got...60% seems right

so it is ( 15 * 0,7 + 25* 0,45  + 60* 0,12 ) = 0,29 or 29%

the odds were 3,5 to 1 , or 77% .. you have 29....29 +77 = 106 > 100 ( i know how to work with the odds but i cant explain very well    ) ..so it should be a call, but a tough one in my opinion....this because you made a pretty large lead out bet IMO...i prefer to make a small feeler bet ( 2K or something )...the odds change a lot then

obviously if you have any info on your opponent you can change the percentages and decide if callin is a good or bad decision...


all this to say that i play 77 differently though lol 

i use to fold 30% of the times, call 60% and raise 10%...and then decide my actions depending on the table, and my opponent...but i play the 77 UTG very weakly and conservative... i dont like that hand much in that position...

[SupaMonkey]

Don't lead out. Check fold.

Do you call the reraise preflop (it seems you already have him on an overpair at this point). Isn't 10% of your stack a lot to go set mining with.

[The_Diamond]

Don't lead out. Check fold.

i disagree...if you raise preflop and then call a 1800 reraise you cant just hope to hit a set and fold everything else...

anyway.... let's see...after the preflop action there's about 7,5K in the pot...you bet 4K so , when the opponent moves all in he's got about 10K left, so it's 6K to call for you in a 21,5K pot...hard to fold more than 3,5 to 1...but what could he have?

a) total bluff : you are about a 70% favourite against 2 high cards if he's not on the flush draw...he reraised preflop so its very improbable he's got only 1 overcard

b) 2 high cards of clubs : you have a 45% chance to win the pot against 2 overcards of clubs...and with the action we've see AK , AQ of clubs are more than possible

c) higher pair : AA KK QQ JJ are probable here...and you only have about 12% chance against them...

d) under pair-connectors-A9-K9-A6-K6 are very unlikely given the action preflop...

now we have to give a) , b)  and c) a %...

a) i give the bluff a 15% chance...may seem a bit high...but you see a lot of crazy and weird plays online...15% seems about right
b) the flush draw looks possible to me...but nothing more than a 25% chance
c) the higher pair looks to be the more likely hand he's got...60% seems right

so it is ( 15 * 0,7 + 25* 0,45  + 60* 0,12 ) = 0,29 or 29%

the odds were 3,5 to 1 , or 77% .. you have 29....29 +77 = 106 > 100 ( i know how to work with the odds but i cant explain very well    ) ..so it should be a call, but a tough one in my opinion....this because you made a pretty large lead out bet IMO...i prefer to make a small feeler bet ( 2K or something )...the odds change a lot then

obviously if you have any info on your opponent you can change the percentages and decide if callin is a good or bad decision...


all this to say that i play 77 differently though lol 

i use to fold 30% of the times, call 60% and raise 10%...and then decide my actions depending on the table, and my opponent...but i play the 77 UTG very weakly and conservative... i dont like that hand much in that position...

I don't know where to start with this. You're all over the shop here.

We have raised UTG and someone has re-raised us, then come over the top on the flop leaving us with 3.5 to 1. This will be a bluff exactly 0% of the time. You're havin a larf with 15%!!

Donking (leading into the preflop raiser) is almost never a good idea, especially not with top pair or worse.

There's nothing wrong with calling the mini raise for set value. You're getting the correct implied odds to do that (mind you only barely), you're OOP and his raise is typical of the way big pairs are played online. Occasionally you'll be up agianst a muppet with AQ/AK but there's no point leading the flop to find that out. Betting for info sucks ball.

If you believe there's a good enough chance you're ahead postflop then you should open push. Leading out for anything less is just silly. 

Also, as snoopy suggested there's nothing wrong with open folding preflop either.

[fergus8]

limp fold seems about right

[temp0r]

you don't need to raise with this from early position if you have chips back like you do.

they way you've played it is as if you want to double up to get the best chance of going on and making the biggest cash possibly. in which case i say you should probably call and hope for AK. though considering the min-re-raise you're looking at an overpair i reckon.

[Moskvich]

Thanks for the answers. Yes, I realise I got myself into a load of trouble here, and agree that I made it much more complicated than it needed to be. I think I was aware of a tendency I've had to tighten up too much at this stage and let my stack dwindle away, leaving me short of the bigger cashes in the end. That said, I think for some reason I wouldn't have played or from UTG, so I don't know what made me think were a monster. What made it even trickier was that the flop was about as good as it was going to get for , so I couldn't bring myself to leave it alone.

This wasn't intended as any sort of trick question, but in the end I made the call, and he turned over.... 77 for a split pot.

[fishguts]

This wasn't intended as any sort of trick question, but in the end I made the call, and he turned over.... 77 for a split pot.

WOO OO i'm a genious 

[Royal Flush]

Limp re-raise!