OK...what whould you do?

[tantrum]

No way you can show here,

you will get all in every time you raise.

I don't like showing

[SupaMonkey]

In this situation i think you are probably 60-40 against your oppo's range.

[cambo]

this is a difficult one, if you win the race you deff win the tourney, but on the other hand if you lay it down you still have a big edge on the rest of the players , this is based on playing with canuck and with everyone else thats still left in.

the way this tourney is set up is the blinds go back down to 1k-2k at the final , ano that might sound bizare but thats the way its run. in this case i have to say its a fold. theres better spots to get ur money in but i understand the call after the way the last couple of hands played out.

[M3boy]

Right, OK - just to clarify my point.

IN THIS EXAMPLE - ie the guy has been bullied of hands before and may suspect you are bullying again - he is EVEN MORE likely to push with Ax.

THATS why I said call - play to win - I would guess that I am a HUGE favorite in this situation (with what has happened before) - Yes ok, there is a chance he has a PP and we are racing - but so be it.

If I am being the aggressor at a table and I get re raised, I like to show that I am not going to be pushed off a hand by an all in - ok sometmes this backfires and the opposition will have AA - but again, so be it. _ Mr Thew uses this tactic alot, and I would say very successfully.

Oh, and BTW, yes I have folded AK preflop to an all in, but in this situation I would not fold.

[Canuck]

Right, OK - just to clarify my point.

IN THIS EXAMPLE - ie the guy has been bullied of hands before and may suspect you are bullying again - he is EVEN MORE likely to push with Ax.

THATS why I said call - play to win - I would guess that I am a HUGE favorite in this situation (with what has happened before) - Yes ok, there is a chance he has a PP and we are racing - but so be it.

If I am being the aggressor at a table and I get re raised, I like to show that I am not going to be pushed off a hand by an all in

Thank you for respnding all.

and m3boy this was my thiking exactly. I hoped for Ax to be flipped over and all the while knowing that if he flipped over a pp i was racing. I was being fairly aggressive and I didnt want them to think an all in would push me off a hand.

this is a difficult one, if you win the race you deff win the tourney, but on the other hand if you lay it down you still have a big edge on the rest of the players , this is based on playing with canuck and with everyone else thats still left in.

Your right Cambo. that is what makes this hand so difficult for me. If I am playing with players better then me, then yes, I should call and hope I win either against AX or a pp. But I feel like I was the better player or close to the better player then everyone there. I still think I could have won the tourney if I folded, but at the time I thought I was dominating him and that with his chips I coast to first.

i will think about this hand for a long time.

[totalise]

canuck,

when you say you think you are the better player, what does this mean? that you can fold sickenly +ev spots to hope to get one later on? or that you can expect to get a better run of cards then anyone else? Your edge in tournies comes from these spots, you have a choice... you can either call here, and take the edge, or you can fold here, and be the edge. Folding here is why good players have such an overlay against pther people, but it isnt the folders that have the overlay. Theres no man on the planet that can fold 60%++ edges getting bettr then 1.3/1 odds, in these spots,  and expect to have a higher EV through folding then through calling.

make the choice, be the edge, or take the edge.

[matt674]

make the choice, be the edge, or take the edge.

Hmmm, i think i'll pass on being the edge - not sure who i'd be to be honest, i'll have to ponder that one and get back to you!!

[tantrum]

What worries me sometimes is the word 'hope' in some of the hand analysis.  Funny often those hopes turn into dissapointment.

Or I don't want to show that I will fold to every all in- it was one all in and the next hand might be different. 

I am not advocating fold or call in this spot personally, but what i am not keen is 'I hope he has Ax. '  Your opponent was hoping you will have Ax as well, he did not wanted you to have TT+.  Also the very fact that in the first hand he chose to call you rather then  pushing it or folding to might be or might not be a sign of his approach to the game.  Why he did not just flat call it again? what were his actions through this particular round?


If you believe that you can outplay your opponents then one fold will not make a difference esp in the MTT where the size of your stack is extremely important factor in winning the tourney. 
If you lose 2/3 of your stack at this point, from now on you have to gamble more then when you had your big stack. 

As to totalise's 60++edge you are right providing that you know you have the edge and not hope for the edge IMO.

 Why many are so sure that he has Ax is really mind boggling.  This guy just came to the table, made a comment and nxt orbit shoves all in to the raise.  His all in then looks like a re-steal so it can be a perfect way to make canuck call with his hand esp that canuck is thought of as an aggressive player. 

I think great players use their aggression effectively but I am not so sure they just shove their chips all the time because they hope that someone has Ax and that they hope they have the edge. 

[byronkincaid]

What worries me sometimes is the word 'hope' in some of the hand analysis.  Funny often those hopes turn into dissapointment.

Or I don't want to show that I will fold to every all in- it was one all in and the next hand might be different. 

I am not advocating fold or call in this spot personally, but what i am not keen is 'I hope he has Ax. '  Your opponent was hoping you will have Ax as well, he did not wanted you to have TT+.  Also the very fact that in the first hand he chose to call you rather then  pushing it or folding to might be or might not be a sign of his approach to the game.  Why he did not just flat call it again? what were his actions through this particular round?


If you believe that you can outplay your opponents then one fold will not make a difference esp in the MTT where the size of your stack is extremely important factor in winning the tourney. 
If you lose 2/3 of your stack at this point, from now on you have to gamble more then when you had your big stack. 

As to totalise's 60++edge you are right providing that you know you have the edge and not hope for the edge IMO.

 Why many are so sure that he has Ax is really mind boggling.  This guy just came to the table, made a comment and nxt orbit shoves all in to the raise.  His all in then looks like a re-steal so it can be a perfect way to make canuck call with his hand esp that canuck is thought of as an aggressive player. 

I think great players use their aggression effectively but I am not so sure they just shove their chips all the time because they hope that someone has Ax and that they hope they have the edge. 

do you use poker stove? if not download it, put villan on a range of hands and see what your equity is. No hoping required

[tantrum]

In a live game your poker stove can be very helpful. 

I don't dispute the fact that he might be ahead, but I doubt it if this guy after his comments would shove it with Ax.

Have you heard of poker tells and psychology?

[Royal Flush]

Can i just say.

AK, high blinds, 4 handed.

[Muahahahaha]

If there's a consensus with AK in this spot, whay would you guys do with AQo?

I'd put in a different raise, or maybe even just call.  I'm quite happy to dump AQ.  Before by making exactly the same raise as before, I'm trying to lure him into a tilty response, this time I want to make sure I can understand his answer.  If I put in a min raise & he bullies me off it, well done.  Let's hope I get QQ or better soon, then let's see how you  feel about it

[Highstack]

I am calling here for sure. You are racing or dominating as he knows you will fire at the flop and therefore AA KK would be unlikely.

My thought process might have been the same, but my decision sometimes different if I was all in, but you picked up a free round + 10k on the previous move, so my guess is that you have around 45k back even if you are wrong here. That would sugeest that one double and you would be back playing an average stack. With blinds only 4k and your chip count then its a no brainer imo.

You may have lost this one, but that will happen. If his cards were face up then you would want to call. All you can do is get them in when in front and pray that they hold!

[richmore]

A definite call from me. particularly at this stage of the tournament. If you don't play premium hands strongly you will have little hope of winning.  You should also think .... "what would I do if he said nothing about stealing blinds?"  Unless you know the player very well ... you should not pay too much attention to it .. and play as if he said nothing.

Early stages in tournaments you may fold AK as the key goal is to survive the early bloodbath

[tantrum]

If his cards were face up then you would want to call. All you can do is get them in when in front and pray that they hold!

So if you know he has 99/TT/88 and you have AK you still call for 2/3 of your stack?

Just asking, because you are slightly behind there, so what you wil be praying for is that you hit not hold.

Richmore- I think you should think what players say to you and be able to get the gist what those things mean.  that's the beauty of the live game/ tells are an important aspect of the game, they save your bum (if you know what they stand for) more often then not... If you can't read the tells, then you are losing some of your edge.