Ethical question regarding Full Tilt

[77dave]

Been playing the $3/$6 omaha cap game on Full Tilt recently

This happened this morning    What would you do in my position

i have just lost a pot to a player so $500
he now has $800 in front of him

he stands up from the table then sits back down after 1 hand
he returns with only $240

i ask him to pull up  he tells me to go F%&* myself

what do u    has he done anything wrong   is it cheating ,  unethical , taking advantage of the rules  or totally fair

when i get peoples responses ill let you know what i did

[Royal Flush]

In a cap game i don't see the problem.

P.S. watch out for that Norse Horse chap, he is a good player.

[sofa----king]

Been playing the $3/$6 omaha cap game on Full Tilt recently

This happened this morning    What would you do in my position

i have just lost a pot to a player so $500
he now has $800 in front of him

he stands up from the table then sits back down after 1 hand
he returns with only $240

i ask him to pull up  he tells me to go F%&* myself

what do u    has he done anything wrong   is it cheating ,  unethical , taking advantage of the rules  or totally fair

when i get peoples responses ill let you know what i did

personally i think its wrong but online i think anything goes so ,,taking advantage of the rules i think ...what did you do m8?

[JungleCat03]

I don't see the problem with it in a capped game...

In a standard cash game going south is a bit iffy and always prevented online but in a  capped game don't see the problem. Even if he had the full 800 he could do his 240 in the hand and still leave anyway.


Dammit agreeing with flushie again. 


Maybe use a bit of speech play to rile him into stocking up on the table? Ask him if mommy wanted her credit card funds back or something. Hope you won it back anyway.
 

[totalise]

JungleCat,

The only problem is that if villain loses a couple pots and doesn't reload, our heros potential earn from said villain is going to be less then $240. Not a huge issue for sure.

Anyways, onto more important issues, flushy says that there is a lot of washing up to do... get your rubber gloves on!

[JungleCat03]

That's true, still don't get the prob with a capped game tho. At least he came back!

Thanks to the washing machine I won't be cracking out the marigolds just yet lol. Bringing up kids is a tough job though i must admit  ;bat;

[77dave]

jungle  normally i put the plates in the dishwasher and clothes in the washing machine  hope you did it the right way round.   lol

i understand what people are saying about the cap game but its totalises point that is the key to this for me. 

the next hand he played he lost about $60 in a pot to a guy
the following had i get him allin and but a sick beat on him but i only win $180 not the full $240 cap so techniqually i lost out on $60 of my own money.

i tell him to reload and starts abusing me even more
he leaves and goes to a $5/$10 plo game with no cap

i wait for a seat and join uninvited
i flop bottom set with nut flush draw    it all goes in   he hits str8 on turn and i hit flush on river to claim a very enjoyable $2k pot

as you can imagine i got more abuse after  but i feel justice was served

either way i dont feel like you should be allowed to take money from a table unless you wait 30 mins or the table breaks

[JungleCat03]

Ahh, that explains the sound of smashing crockery..I thought there was a greek wedding going on!

I get what you are saying and I think it's a bit of a grey area.

I just think that as you start each hand effectively sitting on a stack of 240 then there's not much difference between having the rest of your balance sitting in your account or at the table since it can't be touched that particular hand. I know in practical terms it means he may not reload if he loses a pot, so he won't have a full buyin, but i kind of don't see anything wrong with that.

Also, although you seem to lose out, you may also gain. Seeing as he was so disinclined to sit at the table with the full 800, maybe if he hadn't had the option to dorp back to 240, he might've just upped sticks and left and you wouldn't have got an immediate opportunity to win at least some of it back.

It's a fine line for sure but karma seemed to have worked in your favour and you probably ended up better off thanks to him relocating.

[Snatiramas]

Nature of the beast on line easy to get up sit down get up sit down get up. I am not sure you will ever change it or the behaviiour that it then produces

[77dave]

Nature of the beast on line easy to get up sit down get up sit down get up. I am not sure you will ever change it or the behaviiour that it then produces

i agree phil but the difference here is that he stood up and sat back down at the same table

[I, Zimbra]

Even if it makes little difference in a cap game, it's probably not a good habit to get into...

[ericstoner]

You did exactly the right thing M8.

There is unfortunatly nothing you can do about this type of behaviour. The questian of fair play, ethics,cheating etc does 'nt come into it,and is not a part of online, or even live poker. (except amongst friends,one hopes)

What you have to do, is have a long memory, chase him down at a future point and skin him, cos he's playing like a frightened rabbit.

This was far easier to do in the smaller live poker commuinity of old.If a player played a bit iffy all the time he would be found out more easily.

UNFORTUNATLY, this is not the case today, (so a thicker skin is required,to enable you to play your best game,)in the ever expanding poker community,do'nt take it to heart cr@p happens.

[matt674]

Most of the time the rules of "fair play" or "poker ethics" stem from peoples understanding of playing live poker, however a lot of the players nowadays have never played live poker in their life - the only poker they've ever played has been online and as far as i'm aware online sites dont have the live "fair play" or "poker ethics" within their terms and conditions.

You just have to accept that fair play and poker ethics dont exist in the cyberworld and trying to preach them to somebody who has never heard of them just wont work.

[77dave]

I quite agree with what you both say eric and matt
i have only just started recently playing in a cap game and i guess i was taken by shock when he so openly made such a cocky move.  especially when he is the one to get abusive after the fact. i guess he just knew he was in the wrong

so i guess the big question is    what do i do next time he sits down in my game and does it again. if im losing in a game or the game is really juicy i wont just walk away

[matt674]

i guess he just knew he was in the wrong

But was he?

Even if he did know it wasn't ethical - if it isn't stated as a rule in the terms and conditions of the site then technically speaking he hasn't done anything wrong.

I've been playing poker for 5 years, live and online but because i'm an MTT player i didnt know what the term "going south" meant until i saw the episode of High Stakes Poker where they jokingly made reference to it when Freddie Deeb took a cigarette break, there are probably hundreds of thousands of people out there in cyberspace who are in exactly the same boat.