Is it me?

[charmaine]

I'm really not good with words , but send Barhell's father and junglecats mother my heart felt good wishes at such a difficult time .

I really cant imagine what you both are going through , my dad has numerous health problems and every day that we have him is special , but with his particuler problems theres no great pain involved so thats one blessing .

[Royal Flush]

For me, it's a no-brainer. "Assisted death" is a must, the problem of course is that it would get abused by mini-Shipman's, & that's hard to prevent.

30 years ago, this week in fact, my Dad died. I loved nobody more, man or woman, before or since, than Dad, he was Dad, Brother, best mate, the lot, still is, in fact.

He fell ill, & it soon became obvious that recovery was not possible, it was just a case of "when". They stuffed him full of medicine, & tablets, & intravenous drips, the lot. In doing so, they prolonged his agony, my agony, caused him to have an undignified death, wasted a hospital bed for 2 weeks & spent a bundle of money & used a stack of nursing resource.

There was me, praying for him to die, now, tonight, quickly, to ease his suffering, & here was the NHS at it's finest, doing everything to prolong his suffering.

It's a strange world we inhabit.

Horrible Tony, but am i not mistaken that a person can refuse treatment?

[barhell]

For me, it's a no-brainer. "Assisted death" is a must, the problem of course is that it would get abused by mini-Shipman's, & that's hard to prevent.

30 years ago, this week in fact, my Dad died. I loved nobody more, man or woman, before or since, than Dad, he was Dad, Brother, best mate, the lot, still is, in fact.

He fell ill, & it soon became obvious that recovery was not possible, it was just a case of "when". They stuffed him full of medicine, & tablets, & intravenous drips, the lot. In doing so, they prolonged his agony, my agony, caused him to have an undignified death, wasted a hospital bed for 2 weeks & spent a bundle of money & used a stack of nursing resource.

There was me, praying for him to die, now, tonight, quickly, to ease his suffering, & here was the NHS at it's finest, doing everything to prolong his suffering.

It's a strange world we inhabit.

Horrible Tony, but am i not mistaken that a person can refuse treatment?

Refusing treatment just doesn't cut the mustard with me. As the whole point is not suffering. If you refuse treatment you can still suffer a long slow undignified death. If you find a cat/dog by the side of the road thats been hit by a car and it was so badly injured that you know it wouldn't survive you'd have it taken to a vets and put to sleep. Take away treatment and it suffers for maybe a couple of hours maybe a day, 2 days? How long should it suffer?
So for humans if you take away treatment you can't stop the suffering or the undignified process.

[tikay]

For me, it's a no-brainer. "Assisted death" is a must, the problem of course is that it would get abused by mini-Shipman's, & that's hard to prevent.

30 years ago, this week in fact, my Dad died. I loved nobody more, man or woman, before or since, than Dad, he was Dad, Brother, best mate, the lot, still is, in fact.

He fell ill, & it soon became obvious that recovery was not possible, it was just a case of "when". They stuffed him full of medicine, & tablets, & intravenous drips, the lot. In doing so, they prolonged his agony, my agony, caused him to have an undignified death, wasted a hospital bed for 2 weeks & spent a bundle of money & used a stack of nursing resource.

There was me, praying for him to die, now, tonight, quickly, to ease his suffering, & here was the NHS at it's finest, doing everything to prolong his suffering.

It's a strange world we inhabit.

Horrible Tony, but am i not mistaken that a person can refuse treatment?

Correct, but HE never realised he was dying, whereas we KNEW he had no way back.

[Royal Flush]

For me, it's a no-brainer. "Assisted death" is a must, the problem of course is that it would get abused by mini-Shipman's, & that's hard to prevent.

30 years ago, this week in fact, my Dad died. I loved nobody more, man or woman, before or since, than Dad, he was Dad, Brother, best mate, the lot, still is, in fact.

He fell ill, & it soon became obvious that recovery was not possible, it was just a case of "when". They stuffed him full of medicine, & tablets, & intravenous drips, the lot. In doing so, they prolonged his agony, my agony, caused him to have an undignified death, wasted a hospital bed for 2 weeks & spent a bundle of money & used a stack of nursing resource.

There was me, praying for him to die, now, tonight, quickly, to ease his suffering, & here was the NHS at it's finest, doing everything to prolong his suffering.

It's a strange world we inhabit.

Horrible Tony, but am i not mistaken that a person can refuse treatment?

Correct, but HE never realised he was dying, whereas we KNEW he had no way back.

A very horrible situation Tony, ty for posting about it though.

[tikay]

For me, it's a no-brainer. "Assisted death" is a must, the problem of course is that it would get abused by mini-Shipman's, & that's hard to prevent.

30 years ago, this week in fact, my Dad died. I loved nobody more, man or woman, before or since, than Dad, he was Dad, Brother, best mate, the lot, still is, in fact.

He fell ill, & it soon became obvious that recovery was not possible, it was just a case of "when". They stuffed him full of medicine, & tablets, & intravenous drips, the lot. In doing so, they prolonged his agony, my agony, caused him to have an undignified death, wasted a hospital bed for 2 weeks & spent a bundle of money & used a stack of nursing resource.

There was me, praying for him to die, now, tonight, quickly, to ease his suffering, & here was the NHS at it's finest, doing everything to prolong his suffering.

It's a strange world we inhabit.

Horrible Tony, but am i not mistaken that a person can refuse treatment?

Correct, but HE never realised he was dying, whereas we KNEW he had no way back.

A very horrible situation Tony, ty for posting about it though.

I was just helping M3Boy make the point James - it is just daft social conventions that cause so much unnecessary suffering in this life. I would not wish any human to die so slowly, painfully, when it could so easily be avoided. The law is a complete ass at times.

[barhell]

For me, it's a no-brainer. "Assisted death" is a must, the problem of course is that it would get abused by mini-Shipman's, & that's hard to prevent.

30 years ago, this week in fact, my Dad died. I loved nobody more, man or woman, before or since, than Dad, he was Dad, Brother, best mate, the lot, still is, in fact.

He fell ill, & it soon became obvious that recovery was not possible, it was just a case of "when". They stuffed him full of medicine, & tablets, & intravenous drips, the lot. In doing so, they prolonged his agony, my agony, caused him to have an undignified death, wasted a hospital bed for 2 weeks & spent a bundle of money & used a stack of nursing resource.

There was me, praying for him to die, now, tonight, quickly, to ease his suffering, & here was the NHS at it's finest, doing everything to prolong his suffering.

It's a strange world we inhabit.

Horrible Tony, but am i not mistaken that a person can refuse treatment?

Correct, but HE never realised he was dying, whereas we KNEW he had no way back.

A very horrible situation Tony, ty for posting about it though.

I was just helping M3Boy make the point James - it is just daft social conventions that cause so much unnecessary suffering in this life. I would not wish any human to die so slowly, painfully, when it could so easily be avoided. The law is a complete ass at times.

[Royal Flush]

For me, it's a no-brainer. "Assisted death" is a must, the problem of course is that it would get abused by mini-Shipman's, & that's hard to prevent.

30 years ago, this week in fact, my Dad died. I loved nobody more, man or woman, before or since, than Dad, he was Dad, Brother, best mate, the lot, still is, in fact.

He fell ill, & it soon became obvious that recovery was not possible, it was just a case of "when". They stuffed him full of medicine, & tablets, & intravenous drips, the lot. In doing so, they prolonged his agony, my agony, caused him to have an undignified death, wasted a hospital bed for 2 weeks & spent a bundle of money & used a stack of nursing resource.

There was me, praying for him to die, now, tonight, quickly, to ease his suffering, & here was the NHS at it's finest, doing everything to prolong his suffering.

It's a strange world we inhabit.

Horrible Tony, but am i not mistaken that a person can refuse treatment?

Correct, but HE never realised he was dying, whereas we KNEW he had no way back.

A very horrible situation Tony, ty for posting about it though.

I was just helping M3Boy make the point James - it is just daft social conventions that cause so much unnecessary suffering in this life. I would not wish any human to die so slowly, painfully, when it could so easily be avoided. The law is a complete ass at times.

Yeah it's hard to argue against it when you read things like what you wrote. I am a catholic and was raised as such going to a catholic boarding school and it was a discussion that was raised a lot in our RE/Theology lessons, partly down to the fact is was a major issue in the press at the time. It seems to me that while it may be against many religions and beliefs including my own, i also believe quite heavily that religion has no place in politics, separation of church and state should be a key principal in any democracy. So i think you are right it should be allowed for those that wish to end needless suffering.

[boldie]

I don't understand why euthanasia would be illegal anywhere really. Maybe it's because I'm Dutch and it's been legal for a fairly long time now (and tolerated even longer). I think it's rather offensive that it's illegal. If I become really ill and want it to be over I should have the choice to have it ended and the kind doctor who would help me out with that should never have to worry about being prosecuted...blah...less said the better on this subject from me as I'd get all ticked off again about what a ridiculous country this sometimes is.

[Trace]

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=11972.0

There is a line that has to be drawn - no matter how difficult a decision it is.

As this thread has now been started, how is Murph?

Sorry Matt!

I don't spend as much time on here nowadays as I used to, and I've only just seen this thread.

Murph is ok, he has his wobbly moments, especially in a morning, but still has his puppy moments too.

His tablets have been reduced from 3 a day to 1 a day, and he's still on his metacam once daily.

For an old man he's holding his own perfectly at the moment.

This thread has reminded me that I haven't as yet bought him his Xmas stocking and if this morning's episode with Son opening Birthday Pressies is anything to go by, then Murph will be expecting one.

Thanks for asking.

[barhell]

I don't understand why euthanasia would be illegal anywhere really. Maybe it's because I'm Dutch and it's been legal for a fairly long time now (and tolerated even longer). I think it's rather offensive that it's illegal. If I become really ill and want it to be over I should have the choice to have it ended and the kind doctor who would help me out with that should never have to worry about being prosecuted...blah...less said the better on this subject from me as I'd get all ticked off again about what a ridiculous country this sometimes is.

I just wish this was the case here in the UK.