Crypto XMAS league EPT sat

[ariston]

I do not profess to be a sat expert, i hardly play them, there are easier ways of winning $10k.

I can't see how its common sense, i can't be swung around to your opinion by "make calls like that and you lose seats overall" there is no substance there.

The average stack with 18 left would have been just under 25k, if i have 18k i want to get some chips together as its much easier to lead from the front in these things. If i find myself in the situation of being able to call 8k to win 12k with a 58-42 edge then i am taking it, unlike you i don't poses the skill to find "a better situation"

wasnt his oppinion it is mine and is a fact. Speak to anyone who wins multiple sats for 10k+ a time ( I have won over 10 in the last 2 years) and they will say the same. Many blondites who specialise in the sats play to the strict rules set out in my satelitte peice, speak to people who have won multiple seats. It is not your area of expertise by your own admittance and I would not question your ability to win cash/mtts etc online but sats are my only area of expertise and I can assure you if you make that call over and over you will not have a strike rate anywhere like mine ( at one stage it stood at 7 wins from 26 sats before I started playing them for others as well ). To win these calling is the cardinal sin.

[M3boy]

Give it up m8, its like getting Blood from a stone getting Flushy to agree with my point of view lol

[Royal Flush]

Again you have gone no distance to explaining why other than saying "i am considerably better than thou"

There is T425,000 in play, 18 left (av is therefore just shy of 24k) its 800-1600-200. You have 19k having posted 800+200 you have 18k.

A player in LP open pushes, you can be fairly certain his range is any 2 cards. You are 58% vs any 2 cards, there is now 13k in the pot, 8k for you to call (1.625-1) now you say the optimum move here is to pass, i can't see how that's correct but i'll take your word for it as Betfair wouldn't have got you to write that piece if it was pish, rather than on your massive sample size of sat victory's.

Anyway my question is this, when you have half the average stack and an 'M' of under 5 with only 1/6 players in the remaining field getting a seat what % does your hand need to be vs the oppos range to call getting 1.625-1?

Edited to correct the SB's stack, also now adding in the factor that if we lose the pot we have 10k still to make a comeback with.

[M3boy]

Sorry, my mistake (See how easy it is James?)

It is the SB who had 18k and makes the insta call
The BB has 12k

Hence when I said "He calls for almost 50% of his stack"

[Royal Flush]

Ok the same question still goes to russ, i will edit my reply to make it 18k

[Royal Flush]

Give it up m8, its like getting Blood from a stone getting Flushy to agree with my point of view lol

It's a bit hard to agree to your point of view when you make no attempt to explain it, other than "it's common sense"

[M3boy]

James, I Have tried to explain, read my posts

[Rookie (Rodney)]

 

[Royal Flush]

James, I Have tried to explain, read my posts

This is all i have found:

Thats cos ur a fish James.

8000 call (half your stack) with A 5 to win 11200 - not even 2 to 1 - he is still healthy with 18k. Loose and he is a shortie.

He can use that 8k to RAISE with and pick up the blinds.

He risked 50% of his chips with that was a 6/4 shot at best on odds of not even 2 to 1. There was no need to risk this imo.

Its not just me though James.

Its comman sense!

Your argument seems to be:

A) I am a fish and that you need to have at least 2-1 before calling.

B) There is no need to risk it 'IMO'

C) It's common sense

Where is the reasoning and explanation?

[ariston]

M does not come into it nor does average stack, all that matters in sats is how many bbs you have. Anything over 3 and pot odds to call should never be brought into it. Read the articles as I got paid a lot of money to explain why i win seats mate- they explain sats far better than a thread on hear.

[totalise]

irrespective of who is rite and wrong here, flushy has shown the correct way to debate a topic, and M3 has failed miserably.

[Royal Flush]

M does not come into it nor does average stack, all that matters in sats is how many bbs you have. Anything over 3 and pot odds to call should never be brought into it. Read the articles as I got paid a lot of money to explain why i win seats mate- they explain sats far better than a thread on hear.

Russ i agree pot odds are not the factor we care about, but surely we know that 18k is not enough to get us a seat....

[M3boy]

irrespective of who is rite and wrong here, flushy has shown the correct way to debate a topic, and M3 has failed miserably.

Interesting point of view there, based on what?

Me and James have a big history of "winding" each other up. Me calling him a fish falls into that catagory, just as him disagreeing with my point of view on many many hand analysis threads. If I say call, he would say fold. If I say fold, he will say call - that is just the way it is.

He probably takes as much pleasure in winding me up as I do him. I am also sure that sometimes it annoys him as it does me - we are only human.

To say I have "failed miserably" is a little harsh to say the least.

Debates are something I enjoy, I will ALWAYS listen to someone else's point of view.

Show me how James has "debated correctly" and I have not please.

[totalise]

irrespective of who is rite and wrong here, flushy has shown the correct way to debate a topic, and M3 has failed miserably.

Interesting point of view there, based on what?

Me and James have a big history of "winding" each other up. Me calling him a fish falls into that catagory, just as him disagreeing with my point of view on many many hand analysis threads. If I say call, he would say fold. If I say fold, he will say call - that is just the way it is.

He probably takes as much pleasure in winding me up as I do him. I am also sure that sometimes it annoys him as it does me - we are only human.

To say I have "failed miserably" is a little harsh to say the least.

Debates are something I enjoy, I will ALWAYS listen to someone else's point of view.

Show me how James has "debated correctly" and I have not please.

its all in the thread, see the post by Flushy at 12:27am... and yes, failed miserably was a bit harsh. My apologies

[M3boy]

Apology accepted.

Everything is not always as it seems u know.

Now if someone else was "disagreeing" with my point of view on this subject, then yes, you would of seen a proper debate by me with points of view backed up by facts or arguments for, but as it was James, quite frankly I could not be bothered and used the oppotunity to "wind" him up - which obviously came accross VERY well