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« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2006, 09:30:26 PM »

How is it a disgrace to return his entry fee? no more disgraceful than allowing a barred player from laddering into a higher place. .

Hence the reason to allow him to finish the comp

And have a barred player possibly win the comp?! I'm sure the rest of the players (that may NOT have known Mr M) would have been really happy about that.
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« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2006, 09:30:49 PM »


I would of thought the chips should have been distributed to the remaining players un proportion to there stacks at the time, to keep the right number of chips in play.


Why does that matter?

Surely taking this amount of chips from play would effect the structure? 20-25% of chips removed from play is a lot of chips.
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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2006, 09:33:35 PM »

How is it a disgrace to return his entry fee? no more disgraceful than allowing a barred player from laddering into a higher place. .

Hence the reason to allow him to finish the comp

And have a barred player possibly win the comp?! I'm sure the rest of the players (that may NOT have known Mr M) would have been really happy about that.

Thats why i said to hold the barring off for 24 hours, Then if he did win then he did it "innocently"
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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2006, 09:36:18 PM »

So why did he get barred? Anyone know?
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« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2006, 09:36:43 PM »

Unfortunately they didn't hold off on the ban, so the situation has to be dealt with some way. TBH I think it's bad enough that it too so long for the ban to become known and acted upon, so I can't see how they could then delay implementing it just to look better or for ease.
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« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2006, 09:37:01 PM »

Every single player at the final table knows ali. I am surprised a deal wasn't done between them all to be honest to chop the money in a fairer way. If I had been there I can only imagine how heated the debate would have got because I would not have been playing a single hand and anyone who did not agree would know they would never have dealings with me again (quite a few are close friends as well). No way should this comp have been played to a finish and I would love to know who didn't want to deal although I would rather find out all the facts on this before commenting further.
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« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2006, 09:40:59 PM »

I would not have been playing a single hand and anyone who did not agree would know they would never have dealings with me again (quite a few are close friends as well). No way should this comp have been played to a finish and I would love to know who didn't want to deal although I would rather find out all the facts on this before commenting further.
Well as i said i doubt i would of chopped if i didnt know anyone there, and know the full situation behind the ban.
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« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2006, 09:42:08 PM »

I presume that Ali has no right of appeal to the ban other than to their goodwill to change their mind. It will be interesting in due course to find out what happened so that others do not make the same mistake.
As for Ariston's comments I agree to some extent, but maybe others didn't want the risk of a ban for sticking up for someone that has been banned. After all it does seem that casinos can do what ever they like?
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« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2006, 09:43:16 PM »

Why is it relevant if you know the disqualified person or not? I fail to see the relevance.
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« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2006, 09:46:47 PM »

Vote now!

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=18487.0
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« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2006, 09:47:12 PM »

Why is it relevant if you know the disqualified person or not? I fail to see the relevance.
So Ariston is saying if it was a total stranger that got banned in that position he would do the same thing?
I doubt it.
\If it was a friend of mine and I knew him as a good character, then i would do the same as Ariston. people stick up for friends or people they know.
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« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2006, 09:49:57 PM »


I would of thought the chips should have been distributed to the remaining players un proportion to there stacks at the time, to keep the right number of chips in play.


Why does that matter?

Surely taking this amount of chips from play would effect the structure? 20-25% of chips removed from play is a lot of chips.

Fair point, but would a fair proportioning of someones stack still be arbitary to an extent?

Also, taking a lot of time to administer.

Maybe a proportional rolling back of the blinds when signicant chips are removed from play?
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« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2006, 09:50:04 PM »

there are a certain number of players on the circuit you could trust totally and Ali is one of them. He is one of the most respected players in the UK and there is no way I could have played the competition to a finish and won by default, I would rather leave and ante away and take whatever money they deem fit to give me. You cannot buy reputation and I dont ever want to win at the cost of someone I would class as a friend. It would be just my luck that the only ranking event I win was under a cloud and always be "yeh but you wouldn't have won it if ali was still in". I would rather finish 7th and be able to live with myself that I stood up for something I believed in.
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« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2006, 09:53:25 PM »

incidentally I would do the same for many other players as well, people I could trust. If it was someone I didn't know and it was suggested they had been banned for cheating in another casino for instance I may then think yeh fk em but with Ali this is not an issue. He may have had a druken argument with a pit boss over a blackjack dealer or something but I would stake my reputation on him not being a cheat.
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« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2006, 09:53:59 PM »

It seems to me that what has happened here is the powers that be had no idea that Ali had made the final when they barred him.

The receptionists have no option but to refuse him entry if he has been supended, and the TD is left with very little room for manoeuvre.

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