Another set of Jacks river decision

[doubleup]

Table 'Valentine V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: CharityCse ($627 in chips)
Seat 3: tcblade ($462.10 in chips)
Seat 4: birdieman24 ($241.50 in chips)
Seat 5: TexDuke ($491.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Bizkitt22 ($131.05 in chips)
Seat 7: davmcg ($396.60 in chips)
Seat 8: goose58 ($400 in chips)
Seat 9: schwindog ($392.80 in chips)
davmcg: posts small blind $2
goose58: posts big blind $4
Chris_55555: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to davmcg [ ]
schwindog: calls $4
CharityCse: folds
tcblade: folds
birdieman24: folds
TexDuke said, "i could play AK like that"
TexDuke: raises $12 to $16
Bizkitt22: calls $16
davmcg: calls $14
goose58: folds
schwindog: calls $12
*** FLOP *** [ ]
CharityCse said, "cept u didnt have AK"
davmcg: checks
CharityCse said, "cause thats an ez call"
TexDuke said, "no ****"
schwindog: checks
TexDuke: checks
Bizkitt22: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
davmcg: bets $44
schwindog: folds
TexDuke: calls $44
Bizkitt22: calls $44
*** RIVER *** [ ] [Ah]
davmcg: bets $88
TexDuke: raises $343.30 to $431.30 and is all-in
Bizkitt22: calls $71.05 and is all-in

Me???

I meant to bet a lot more on the turn - but with those pesky little screens on stars I sometimes misbet- I'd better get to specsavers.

[bhoywonder]

click call ,shut ur eyes and pray

surely not up against K 10  or 3 4


inferior set maybe

my only worry would be Q Q in the hole


still calling

[boldie]

Insta call for me.

You only have to worry about Tex duke as he and you will have a nice little sidepot going. If bizkitt beats you then that's not ideal but no problem really.

I'm taking him for AQ. he raised preflop so he is not likely to have 3-4 or K10. pocket queens/Aces are a bit of a worry but I'll take that chance.

[Highstack]

Why didn't you bet on the flop?

[doubleup]

Why didn't you bet on the flop?

Cos it wasn't dangerous and I thought pf raiser would c-bet.  I he didn't he would have prob need a card to improve so a free card wouldn't hurt me.  Not betting bigger on the turn was v bad tho.

[kinboshi]

Could be up against  ... but I'd probably be sticking it in here. AQ could be the most likely holding.

I still go for a bet on the flop, and like you said, a bigger bet on the turn.

[Highstack]

Why didn't you bet on the flop?

Cos it wasn't dangerous and I thought pf raiser would c-bet.  I he didn't he would have prob need a card to improve so a free card wouldn't hurt me.  Not betting bigger on the turn was v bad tho.

I agree it shouldn't be dangerous, but a lot of cards could scare you or your opponents on the turn. If you are in front now and QQ KK AA are possibilities in your head then now is the time to get some cash in imo. If they have QQ or KK and the A falls, you find it difficult to get paid. If you have checked and a third diamond lands, you may also find it difficult to get paid. It also means that as in your example when the Q falls, hands like T9 ot KT have some outs they might want to chase.

If the alterrnative was looking to check-raise, then again it exposes your hand and makes it difficult to get full value.

You have a raiser and a caller to act behind you, so I like to lead  out on the flop here with a set.

This also means you can overbet the turn more freely and make it too pricey to chase. Your stack will be lower and there will be no implied odds left in your stack for the drawers to chase.

[Royal Flush]

Why didn't you bet on the flop?

Cos it wasn't dangerous and I thought pf raiser would c-bet.  I he didn't he would have prob need a card to improve so a free card wouldn't hurt me.  Not betting bigger on the turn was v bad tho.

I agree it shouldn't be dangerous, but a lot of cards could scare you or your opponents on the turn. If you are in front now and QQ KK AA are possibilities in your head then now is the time to get some cash in imo. If they have QQ or KK and the A falls, you find it difficult to get paid. If you have checked and a third diamond lands, you may also find it difficult to get paid. It also means that as in your example when the Q falls, hands like T9 ot KT have some outs they might want to chase.

If the alterrnative was looking to check-raise, then again it exposes your hand and makes it difficult to get full value.

You have a raiser and a caller to act behind you, so I like to lead  out on the flop here with a set.

This also means you can overbet the turn more freely and make it too pricey to chase. Your stack will be lower and there will be no implied odds left in your stack for the drawers to chase.

How often do you think AA-QQ check this flop?

[Highstack]

I don't think they would, but he didn't know they were going to check it behind him as he was acting first!

[boldie]

I don't think they would, but he didn't know they were going to check it behind him as he was acting first!

I think Flushy refers more to why they shouldn't be likely holdings after this board is down (correct me if I'm wrong flushy) and the way the betting has gone and he has a good point. AA/QQ  can just about be ruled out as likely holdings here unless they are being held by poor players who just got very lucky.

[Royal Flush]

That and i don't think you lose much by checking, if you are going to stack someone here they pretty much need to have AA-QQ so if the pot is destined to be big then it would not be checked on the flop.

[Highstack]

Of course, but that is not what I am saying....

If they do have AA-QQ and you check, then they do bet - what are you doing now? Calling or raising? Either one will slow down or halt the overpair (unless your c/r convinces them you have fd and they try to price you out of it with a reraise by jamming - bingo!). Therefore I prefer to lead into them with my set. They have shown relative strength preflop, you may even get raised on the flop with a wide range of holdings, depending on your opponent.

[WellChief]

I generally lead out with a set here also, close to full pot, as I would with any hand ive hit the flop nice with.  The only way the pot is going to get big is if someone has QQ-AA, maybe AJ, lower set or a flush draw.  If you lead out you're going to get action from all of these hands, raised by most of them and if you're flat called you can lead out hard on a blank turn.  If you lead out and everyone folds don't worry, you weren't going to win a big pot anyway.

As for the preflop action, I don't play any full-ring but surely reraising large with JJ from the small blind after a cut-off raise and a button call would be the right thing to do.  It's not nice being out of position all hand against three opponents. 

As played, I think I would call the all in.  Texduke's raised pre and didn't bet the flop, so I think TK is the only hand you're losing to here.  AQ is just as likely, maybe even 5 5/2 2.  Hard to say without knowing the opponent though.

[Highstack]

I wouldn't reraise large with JJ preflop. They are quite well stacked enough to play like a 'set me hand'. You will scare off hands you are beating and get into trouble against the three hands beating you (or be racing for a large amount against the mug AK callers )

[WellChief]

If you're a cash table regular though you need a bigger reraising range than QQ - AA, I think.  Although some choose to play the blinds very passively which is probably ok in full ring I guess.