Gutshot lose Court case Skills fight... Derek Kelly found Guilty!

[Royal Flush]

I'd heard about the rake but not about the tips. Do you have a source?

Rather embarrassingly i can't remember the chaps name, he is the card room manager in Southampton who is the TD for the GPT. Tikay should be able to back me up he was there.

[Wardonkey]

I like Derek, he always pretends to remember me!

I've played at the Gutshot since shortly after it opened. When I worked for Gala and was not allowed to visit other casinos it was for a while the only place I could play in the UK (I didn't bother to tell my employers what I was doing during my trips to London). The atmosphere is different to any casino that I've ever been in. The focus is on enjoying poker and enjoying the company of poker players. I hope that Gutshot can continue to operate and I will always drop in whenever I'm in London.

[RED-DOG]

Poker wiinngs will NEVER be taxed, well not in my lifetime. Think "how?"

The same way the Americans do it?

[danafish]

I like Derek, he always pretends to remember me!

I've played at the Gutshot since shortly after it opened. When I worked for Gala and was not allowed to visit other casinos it was for a while the only place I could play in the UK (I didn't bother to tell my employers what I was doing during my trips to London). The atmosphere is different to any casino that I've ever been in. The focus is on enjoying poker and enjoying the company of poker players. I hope that Gutshot can continue to operate and I will always drop in whenever I'm in London.

Yeah, me too! I've even forgiven them for firing me. That was Barry anyway who fired me, Derek wouldn't have done that sort of thing.

I was a really bad dealer though.

[byronkincaid]

well not in my lifetime

stay off those fags then please

[kojak_baby]

There were 2 main reasons Gutshot did not apply for a Gaming licence and these were:

1. The location of the Club, currently it is not permitted to operate a casino in Islington
2. Gutshot is a poker venue and not a casino and when the Gaming Board were approached in regards to licencing a poker only venue, it was flatly rejected. When the Club opened the Gaming Board, council and police were all invited to visited the Club.

As for DTD, Rob has already stated he was hoping Gutshot won their case as this would have had a huge impact on the direction is venture would take. His final hearing is on the 25th Jan and I wish him all the best for that, I don't think the Gaming Board wil lrubber stamp his application because it has gone about it the right way!

Will be interesting to see if the venue opens a couple of BlackJack tables, might be the only way to ensure it breaks even or makes a profit.

[tikay]

well not in my lifetime

stay off those fags then please

Typical. You only care about me so that you don't get taxed........

[tikay]

I'd heard about the rake but not about the tips. Do you have a source?

Rather embarrassingly i can't remember the chaps name, he is the card room manager in Southampton who is the TD for the GPT. Tikay should be able to back me up he was there.

Correct, it was he.

[The Nomad]

Will the implementation of closure be instant..  If not this could be kicked back and forth from one court to another for the next 5 to 10 years finally ending up in Brussels round about 2017. The Concord has been shuffling around the court systems of Austria and the EU for as long as I can remember over 10 years.   If the casinos can rake the games in the future thats one part of the case against the gutshot out of the window, the skill thing needs a few Phds to come in for the defence and then the debate can trundle on and when that decision finally comes down change the name of the game and start the whole process again ....By the time its all settled I will be playing in the Big game not in the Bellagio but in the sky.....       As usual the lawyers will make a killing on this one nothing changes. Good luck with any appeal Mr Kelly.

[tikay]

Will the implementation of closure be instant..  If not this could be kicked back and forth from one court to another for the next 5 to 10 years finally ending up in Brussels round about 2017. The Concord has been shuffling around the court systems of Austria and the EU for as long as I can remember over 10 years.   If the casinos can rake the games in the future thats one part of the case against the gutshot out of the window, the skill thing needs a few Phds to come in for the defence and then the debate can trundle on and when that decision finally comes down change the name of the game and start the whole process again ....By the time its all settled I will be playing in the Big game not in the Bellagio but in the sky.....       As usual the lawyers will make a killing on this one nothing changes. Good luck with any appeal Mr Kelly.

The Nomad gets it right.

Snaresbrook Crown Court was merely the slip road onto the bottom of the Motorway, this will run & run for decades.

[AdamM]

Will be interesting to see if the venue opens a couple of BlackJack tables, might be the only way to ensure it breaks even or makes a profit.

my understanding is that DTD will 100% never have any table games. my experience of Rob is if he says never it stays never.

[RED-DOG]

Will be interesting to see if the venue opens a couple of BlackJack tables, might be the only way to ensure it breaks even or makes a profit.

my understanding is that DTD will 100% never have any table games. my experience of Rob is if he says never it stays never.

He told me he never had a queen in his hand once, but he did!

[AdamM]

Will be interesting to see if the venue opens a couple of BlackJack tables, might be the only way to ensure it breaks even or makes a profit.

my understanding is that DTD will 100% never have any table games. my experience of Rob is if he says never it stays never.

He told me he never had a queen in his hand once, but he did!

definitely a misread then

[londonpokergirl]

There were 2 main reasons Gutshot did not apply for a Gaming licence and these were:

1. The location of the Club, currently it is not permitted to operate a casino in Islington
2. Gutshot is a poker venue and not a casino and when the Gaming Board were approached in regards to licencing a poker only venue, it was flatly rejected. When the Club opened the Gaming Board, council and police were all invited to visited the Club.

As for DTD, Rob has already stated he was hoping Gutshot won their case as this would have had a huge impact on the direction is venture would take. His final hearing is on the 25th Jan and I wish him all the best for that, I don't think the Gaming Board wil lrubber stamp his application because it has gone about it the right way!

Will be interesting to see if the venue opens a couple of BlackJack tables, might be the only way to ensure it breaks even or makes a profit.

I had a feeling they would lose the first case, but I know that it will be taken to European courts , Derek will fight it, and I think whilst he is appealing he can continue to trade.

Sheffield manager told me that tips and rake will be done later this year, tips certainly from september, however a  manager  also told me that the tips when they are taken will be taxed by the casinos first before giving to staff

[tikay]

There were 2 main reasons Gutshot did not apply for a Gaming licence and these were:

1. The location of the Club, currently it is not permitted to operate a casino in Islington
2. Gutshot is a poker venue and not a casino and when the Gaming Board were approached in regards to licencing a poker only venue, it was flatly rejected. When the Club opened the Gaming Board, council and police were all invited to visited the Club.

As for DTD, Rob has already stated he was hoping Gutshot won their case as this would have had a huge impact on the direction is venture would take. His final hearing is on the 25th Jan and I wish him all the best for that, I don't think the Gaming Board wil lrubber stamp his application because it has gone about it the right way!

Will be interesting to see if the venue opens a couple of BlackJack tables, might be the only way to ensure it breaks even or makes a profit.

I had a feeling they would lose the first case, but I know that it will be taken to European courts , Derek will fight it, and I think whilst he is appealing he can continue to trade.

Sheffield manager told me that tips and rake will be done later this year, tips certainly from september, however a  manager  also told me that the tips when they are taken will be taxed by the casinos first before giving to staff

Correct - tips are deffo taxable.