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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 01:54:10 AM »

So limp then, if your stack is not huge?
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2007, 03:34:50 AM »

Have you all lost the plot?

Trivially easy call. He has more than AA/KK
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2007, 04:14:36 AM »

Have you all lost the plot?

Trivially easy call. He has more than AA/KK



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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2007, 08:25:54 AM »

Have you all lost the plot?

Trivially easy call. He has more than AA/KK



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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2007, 11:42:31 AM »

Thanks for all the comments.
Playing online, you have to make this decision in about 15 seconds Sad But there are only a limited number of card combinations he can have, and after this kind of incident I always wonder 'Was the information there?' The way I see it now based on what you say:

A. He can be doing 'random' or just pulling a move, maybe against what he sees as a SB steal in a 3-way race. This is unlikely since he has shown solid play before, sees me as a tight player now raising, and when showing strength before has had the cards to back it up.

B. Cards:
*Random junk: he doesn't play them. If intending to steal with them, why not steal preflop, it's only against the blinds, with position.NO
*Small to mid, maybe suited connectors. Limp with the intention of seeing a cheap flop. This would elicit a fold to a decent raise, or a call at best in the hope of hitting the flop, with best position. He goes all-in against a raise. NO
*22-77 He's limping hoping to hit a set. Would still only fold, or flat call a raise, hoping to make set or maybe use position on flop to steal. He's good enough to know that his reraise against his raise here is going to be called and small pairs are probably beat. NO
88-QQ Would have raised preflop against blinds, hoping to take it down then and there with what is probably the best hand. Did not raise, so NO.
Paint: JK QK,AJ,AK,AQ etc. As above. Has been shown to do it before. NO.

The only cards left are AA KK. He is an aggressive solid player, these tend to slow-play monsters. He has a mid-range stack facing threatening blind levels, as big a danger as passivity is scaring folk away, especially only 3 handed, with big preflop raises. Limp. Very good chance he has AA KK therefore. So he limps. When threatened, sees his chance to get it all right there against one opponent, so pushes. Once he has pushed, chances of AA KK go right up to about 95%.

I call, he has AA, hits set, it's all over. My call seemed ok at the time, actually it's indefensible. Medium stacked QQ looks like a monster, but the worst hand in poker is always the second best hand.
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2007, 12:18:01 PM »

15 BB's is medium stacked Huh??
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2007, 12:24:42 PM »

15 BB's is medium stacked Huh??
Medium, relative to the rest of the runners. In a 200 man tournament down to the last 20 and most of them are tight, don't expect many decent M's.
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2007, 12:30:59 PM »

Or to put it another way: I can go for first, for several thousand dollars, sure. If I bust now I get about $60. Given that my stack is about the same as anyone elses, my chances of hanging about are roughly as good as theirs, and each one that goes gets me about $80, and at this stage of the game they *really* start to go. If I can see another 3 rounds my chances of making an additional $300 shoot right up, and it's likely I'll find a better spot. It's not like I'm ultralow and can't see another round. The fact is that I did see the rising blinds, did see my QQ, and did go with it, and I was wrong.
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2007, 01:06:38 PM »


It's button v blind, ten minute blinds, you can't pass.
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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2007, 01:28:18 PM »


It's button v blind, ten minute blinds, you can't pass.
It's a limper who now suddenly wants to go all in. It's like a paired flop where the action checks round to you, you place a solid bet on your high pocket pair and strangely someone who checked is suddenly interested in calling? Alarm bells...
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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2007, 01:31:19 PM »

fold. he has aces.     standard.
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2007, 01:37:46 PM »

Dont put yourself in these situations.

Ive said it before, limp and take a freeflop or move all in preflop - no decision then
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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2007, 02:50:37 PM »

Dont put yourself in these situations.

Ive said it before, limp and take a freeflop or move all in preflop - no decision then

I know what your saying and I kind of agree, but both ways there you go broke for sure. By actually playing the way he did, he had plenty of chance to get away from the hand and I wouldn't believe that the villain could have anything but aces after teh limp reraise. I am jamming or limping pre, but after your raise and his limp re-raise I think it is an easy pass.
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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2007, 03:35:32 PM »

How do you go broke by limping?

No Q hits and  I believe he has Aces, then it is an easy fold.
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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2007, 03:48:06 PM »

Because if you limp and the flop comes with no A or K, how can you now give him AA if you didn't preflop? His limp might be suspicious but it is only franked and noted after the limp reraise. If the flop comes jack high, you lead and he jams, how do we know he didn't button limp with AJ or KJ? We can't now pass (not that I advocate limping on the button with AJ or KJ in an unopened pot, but this is an on-line game).
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