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« on: January 22, 2007, 08:10:38 PM »

Internet MTT. 250 runners, down to final 20, in the money. You have 15,000 chips, average, as do the players to your left and right. Blinds are 500-1000, 10 minutes. You are in the small blind. Preflop everyone folds, except button, who limps in. Button is an aggressive player. In previous 30 hands, has on 4 occasions shown overt aggression to other players, by raising preflop and if reraised, putting them all in. Was called, showing  on one occasion to showdown. Has raised twice from button to take the pot, and is otherwise quite solid, folding on button preflop in unopened pot.
So he has limped, you look down to see  . You bet 4000 chips.
The Big blind folds. Action goes to button, who without hesitation pushes all in for 14,000.
What do you do?
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 08:48:51 PM »

Online I have to fold this, I would think he has AA about 98% of the time.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 09:10:57 PM »

Really dont think i can pass here,  Money is made so now looking for the top places, behind to only 2 hands so easy call for me. (Plus i aint good enough to pass QQ) Grin
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2007, 09:30:19 PM »

For sure, it's late in the game. Which of the hands that don't beat you would he limp with here though?
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2007, 10:37:20 PM »

I think that perhaps your feeling was that he might have AA/KK might indicate he had those hands.  The limp itself made u suspicious.  If you fold here you are left with 9k.  Which in theory gives you some chances to get your chips back in other spots.  If he has been raising previously - why did he limped now?

If he was caught once and it happened he had AK, it does not mean he has AA/KK/ here, but the limp is very stinky. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2007, 10:56:06 PM »

Online I have to fold this, I would think he has AA about 98% of the time.

I have also noticed the limp reraise all in with AA to be currently fashionable in online tourneys but this would be a tough hand to lay down.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 11:06:37 PM »

put em in
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 11:22:20 PM »

Have to call here 100% of the time.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2007, 11:33:42 PM »

When you called and he showed his aces did the poker client say "HaHa" in the voice of Nelson from the Simpsons?
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2007, 11:49:01 PM »

I would of taken the free flop looking for the Q.

Like you I suspect AA KK.

But why raise 4000? leaving urself only 9000 back.

Presumably you will push on any flop without an A or K

You are not deep stacked enough in my opinion to raise 4000 and then pass on an A or K flop.

If you think he does not have AA or KK - then ship it in preflop.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 11:53:42 PM »

If you think then he has AA/KK it is better to see the flop... and limp.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2007, 12:17:58 AM »

When these hands happen to you you always think there must be a way I could have got out of this.  I'm guessing he did have AA from your description in the opening post - you've basically described the player as if he could only have AA, which is probably results orientated.

It's button v blind, ten minute blinds, you can't pass.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2007, 12:57:49 AM »

When these hands happen to you you always think there must be a way I could have got out of this.  I'm guessing he did have AA from your description in the opening post - you've basically described the player as if he could only have AA, which is probably results orientated.

It's button v blind, ten minute blinds, you can't pass.

The great thing about folding here is that if the button had raised - it would have been an easy move in.  By playing an obviously strong hand in the way he has we have the opportunity to get out of jail.

I'm obviously exagerrating a bit with my certainty that he has AA, but I think it is AA/KK a lot of the time.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2007, 01:03:14 AM »

doubleup, but if you are on SB - you would not like to see a flop?
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2007, 01:13:08 AM »

doubleup, but if you are on SB - you would not like to see a flop?

Yes thinking about it - I would probably have been very suspicious about the limp.  I actually dont think I've ever seen a player limping on the button and then going allin without aces.
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