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« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2007, 07:01:07 PM » |
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Marc, who was Ivey's partner ? I'm assuming that you were playing four-ball better ball.
Obviously if the game was based on Ivey still getting ten shots from Sagstrom, this was deceitful in the extreme.
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« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2007, 07:30:12 PM » |
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Respect for Marc for responding to this thread and putting quite a few things into perspective.
I for one thought originally it would be to difficult to improve that greatly with 3 hrs coaching for 3 months to make that much of a difference.
This was before I realised they were playing 4 ball better ball. By giving anyone of any standard 10 shots per round is a little reckless especially with a good partner(wish Marc would enlighten us on the standard of Iveys Partner) .
Also after confirmation by Marc that Ivey blatantly lied about the 10 shots given by Lingdren , well that is cheating not hustling.
With Ivey reducing his handicap by 2 - 3 shots which is realisticly attainable in 3 months, and then getting 10 shots in 4 ball betterball Well its a 1 horse race all the way.
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« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2007, 07:43:31 PM » |
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Was this the lineup?  &  V'S  &  |
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You have to expect things of yourself before you can do them." "Heart is what separates the good from the great. '
"All money is good, just the quantity makes it better"
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"Poker Players and Vultures are alike. They both live off the flesh of the weak"
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« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2007, 07:45:20 PM » |
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which ones ivey?  ? |
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« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2007, 11:33:43 PM » |
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when the handicap is being set on one main question- ie how many shots does Erik give you as I played him last week and so did you then its fair to say if I say "erik gives me 10 shots" which later turns out to be " I don't give him any shots and he still beat me" then you have cheated. If you want to try and cheat friends like that then fair enough but when you play off scratch you can hardly cheat someone as you are saying I play off zero- ie I expect to shoot par on this round. If he had said I play Erik off level terms he wouldve still took a good few hundred thousand in the game but when you lie about something like that which is easily checked an hour after you finish your round you can't expect to get paid imo. would be a bit like me playing ram at snooker and saying I know you were semi professional a few years ago and I haven't played for 10 years and my highest break is 30 so I want a 60 point start, ram agrees and I knock a 120 in in the first frame. Would you say thats a fair thing to do to a mate? Remember all the huge names travel together and there aren't many people out there who will play golf for 50k a hole with you, if you become known as someone who will cheat you aint gonna get many other games are you.
This is just so correct, I don't know how thjere can be any arguement. Ivey has cheated, end of. |
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« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2007, 11:36:35 PM » |
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I know nothing about golf so can't comment as to whether or not it is cheating,
Well I do, it is. |
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« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2007, 11:39:32 PM » |
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Hi Marc
Im sorry you have not felt able to phone me.
People seem to think you should write off the money, but if you wrote it off you would never get respect from anyone again. Everyone who you beat would expect you to write off their debts. I beat you fair and square.
As far as Im concerned the bet stands unless the goal posts have been moved.
Regards
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« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2007, 11:41:46 PM » |
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I am also quite impressed that a guy who has not played for three months can shoot one under for the back nine  |
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« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2007, 11:42:28 PM » |
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IMO hats off to Ivey for a good hustle. He obviously negotiated more shots than he should of had but thats not cheating.
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« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2007, 11:45:52 PM » |
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Mr Ivey with a co.uk email address?
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« Reply #100 on: January 29, 2007, 11:49:10 PM » |
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Mr Ivey with a co.uk email address?
Don't be fooled by the e-addy. The IP addy is not UK. It's Spain........ |
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« Reply #101 on: January 29, 2007, 11:51:37 PM » |
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Mr Ivey with a co.uk email address?
Don't be fooled by the e-addy. The IP addy is not UK. It's Spain........ Ah ok, just wondered. Anything technical is way beyond me i'm afraid |
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humbled to be included alongside such esteemed people - thank you
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« Reply #102 on: January 29, 2007, 11:52:48 PM » |
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Mr Ivey with a co.uk email address?
Don't be fooled by the e-addy. The IP addy is not UK. It's Spain........ Ah ok, just wondered. Anything technical is way beyond me i'm afraid Me too, but Iron is a whizz at these things. |
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« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2007, 11:54:55 PM » |
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I have to say, getting Marc to post a response on here to a topic originally started on, and linked from, 2+2 is a nice bit of publicity.
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« Reply #104 on: January 30, 2007, 12:06:49 AM » |
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Phil now living in Barcelona?
If it is really Phil I would love to know why he claimed Lindgren gave him ten shots when in reality Erik gave him no shots. Do you think this is ethical or are you just trying to get another scalp you can brag about like the chinese poker story? I think for a scatch player to lose by 14 holes quite clearly calls for a stewards, if it isn't phil I would suggest the post is removed and all subsiquent posts. I would imagine seeing as another thread has started on the betfair forum about this topic it is more likely its one of them trying to be clever.
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