cash game hand opinions

[AdamM]

Nottingham last night. new 50p/£1 NLHE cash game
it's gone short and there's 4 players.
to my left and right, weak, loose players. easy pickings
across from me, local pro. nice game, tightish but prone to big moves. have some mutual respect
I have built £20 into approx £140 in an hour
my button. player 3 passes, I make it £4 with AJ
SB passes, seat 2 (pro) calls after brief pause
flop A,6,3. he checks
I go £10 (pot £8.50)
he quickly pushes in
he had more than I'd realised because of notes under chips. it's £80 more to me.

to summerise pot is now £108.50, £80 to me and I have AJ ons a A,6,3 board BB has called my 4xBB raise.

what should I have done?

additional info, player is looking directly at me, rather than at a fixed point, which is common for him.
my gut feeling is he doesn't particularly want a call, but the longer I think, the more relaxed he seems (though it's subtle)

[Royal Flush]

Tiny pot, pass.

Unless he is a known maniac.

[rivered]

surely better spots to stick your cash in at with two fish at the table?....he must have some respect for you by now - l wouldn't wanna go all in with my hard earned cash and marginal odds...

[TightEnd]

I pass....assuming you have confidence in your read.

Surely he would make a move against the easy pickings not against a guy who has mutual respect?

AQ,AK likely?

[snoopy1239]

I'd fold.

If you've been making money all night, then why risk it if you're not sure.

I always look at this way. There are 2 weak players and one pro at the table. Who shall I attack? Easy answer. Target weak players, not the strong. You know you can get their money, so pass and continue to ambush them.

If he's a pro, then he's not stupid. He knows you could easily have a big ace and therefore may call. Would he put so much money at risk for a 10er when he knows he can prise money off the fish?

Assuming that it's a rainbow flop, my best guess is that he has A3 suited. He ought to raise a smaller amount or flatcall with a set so he can get paid if you have an ace (which is very possible). Two pair is much more vulnerable and so may justify a bigger raise.  I doubt he'd make this big a move on a stonecold bluff, unless he's a maniac. Hands such as weaker ace etc would probably see a flatcall or a smaller raise.

You said he did some preflop umming and ahing - so he could also have AK, AQ and was wondering if he should reraise your £4.


What happened?

[DJKebab]

I agree, I don't think there is any way that you can call this, especially considering the ratio of the amount you have to call to the £18.50 pot. Think of all the hands he could have that have you beat (AA, AK, AQ, A6, A3, 63, 66, 33). Sure, you may expect a pre-flop raise with the premium hands such as AA or AK, but he could quite easily have flat called your raise pre-flop with Ax or a small/medium pair.

Definite lay down in my book, unless you have a superb read on him and are sure you're ahead. Even then...

[Nem]

Easy pass.

[snoopy1239]

Oi! Adam, stop printing shirts, get your tush back here and tell us what happened... 

[AdamM]

no point dragging this out you're all bang on (except flushy, £100 pots aren't tiny to us all)
AQ, cash game inexperience made me call what I felt was a move. I stand by my felling there was some mutual respct and mis interpreted the over bet. valuable lesson learned.

AQ by the way. first past the post Tightend

[AdamM]

if you spend too long playing with people who routunely re raise all in with AQ / AK or AJ A10 for that matter, you stop spotting people playing them with some skill.

CONCENTRATE MAN

[TightEnd]

Adam, from knowing your posts over the months and played a little with you in blonde tourney's, I am genuinely surprised you called.

You laid down AK to my check raise with AQ on a board of AQrag in that tourney....which I thought was brilliant

[M3boy]

Adam, I am by no means a cash game player, but I am striving to improve in this field.

What I have been doing for the last 2 weeks (playing £1 £2 and $2 $4 nlh) is purely targeting very weak players.

By this I mean I will find a table where someone is doing all their money (over betting pots on the flop etc...) and join the game, wait for an oppotunity to take their money.

And so far its going very nicely.

Easy pass m8 - you said it yourself, 2 weak players - target them!

BTW hope the TShirt business is going well

[AdamM]

i know, terrible play really

this might help beginners actually

when I first started playing live if I raised and was re-raised I'd feel like players would see me as weak if I passed and I'd be paying for it the rest of the night. I've learned that passing to a re raise isn't weak, it's disciplined. In a tourney I'd pass this in a flash. I talked my self into him having a medium pair and him trying to move me off my Ace (which I obviously had) He probably would do that against the amiable fishy fellas we had with us but he wasn't going to shove it all in against me after I'd been dominating the table for an hour.

not a happy drive home, but on the other hand I had 10% of the tourney winner so not a dead loss.

[Royal Flush]

Adam i meant small pot as in, relation to your stack and the blinds, there is 18.50 in there after your bet, he isnt going to stick £80 in with a bag of nails.

[Longy]

I won't rub it in Adam, its an easy pass, far too many hands you are losing too. I must say our local pro is quite brave there its a move of sorts to go all in with aq there, a standard re raise to £30 would have been my move. As i would have been of the belief that you would only call with a better hand than aq (whoops). Oh and this 10% wouldn't have been the lad to your right who you were dealing to all night (joke).