Morality: Am i a Cheat?

[kinboshi]

I'm not sure if a similar topic has been posted before like this, but i tried to search for one and couldn't find any.

But at the Leeds Grovesnor Moortown Casino on Sunday i had the dream situation.
The guy next to me, who with around 30 ppl left, was up there with myself as one of the chip leaders, kept putting his cards up to his face and staring at them (he had glasses on) whilst unintentionally showing me his cards everytime.

Should i have done the moral and decent thing here and pretended i didn't see them and just play as i would've done normally to his raise (i.e fold)??

Or is it within my right to call his raise and then play off him in the hand knowing his cards?
Considering it wasn't really that i looked at his cards, i couldn't really avoid seeing them.

Has anyone else had this situation before.



What happened was that i was a horrible person and saw that he had AQ when he raised so called with my 6 2os.

Flop came 5 7 9, we check, turn a J, i check, he makes it 10k. I consider just calling and checking to him on the river to win more chips but decide theres too much of a risk of him hitting or checking behind me so pump it upto 30k and he folds.

I do this a few more times and win a tonne of chips.

[sledge13]

Can of worms....

[RED-DOG]

It happened to me, someone continually exposing his cards, I kept  telling him about it but he seemed incapable of protecting them, he just stood them on end to have a look. Strange as it may seem, it didn't occur to me to announce his hand to the table, thereby killing it.

[The Camel]

An interesting thread.

I'm really undecided where I stand. If I was in the same position as the original poster I would have a quiet word with the guy. But, when it comes down to it, it is the players responsibility to protect his own hand.

I certainly don't think Horneris cheated by looking at them. It's just a matter of personal morals. I wouldn't want to win like that, some players win at all costs, and good luck to them as long as they don't cheat to do so.

[kinboshi]

If someone has an obvious tell, you don't announce it.

I know it's a different thing - but it's related.

[Acidmouse]

I am pretty sure I know the individual who was exposing the cards, he's a regular and been told before, tbh I am sure hes been told 100's of times (each time he looks at his cards he put's them right upto his face off the table).

When does it come to a point where you take advantage of this if the person a) don't care b) wont alter how he views his card.

[tikay]

I am pretty sure I know the individual who was exposing the cards, he's a regular and been told before, tbh I am sure hes been told 100's of times (each time he looks at his cards he put's them right upto his face off the table).

When does it come to a point where you take advantage of this if the person a) don't care b) wont alter how he views his card.

The problem there is that you have an unfair advantage over the other players. I could never be comfy with that, except by means of my superior play, of course.

[Dingdell]

It's a difficult one but I for one will be offering to shine my opponents glasses from now on  Only joking.

Surprised at you Red - you are the one who will sit out and wait when your opponent gets disconnected. 

[LeKnave]

I am pretty sure I know the individual who was exposing the cards, he's a regular and been told before, tbh I am sure hes been told 100's of times (each time he looks at his cards he put's them right upto his face off the table).

When does it come to a point where you take advantage of this if the person a) don't care b) wont alter how he views his card.

Hey acid, its actually not the guy ur thinking of!

I've never seen the guy before.

[Acidmouse]

There is more like that! ok heading down there tonight

[Eyeofsauron]

Personally, I'd rather beat people in a fair fight. I have told people in the past that they need to be more careful in how they hold their cards, because I couldsee them. I don't want to sit at a table and let others have the slightest element of doubt that I'm taking money off them by unfair means.

[TightPaulFolds]

I did see someone's hole cards once on the turn and river. As far as I remember I have a massive hand multiway, a set or something. Turn is a  . Friend beside me whispers 'Ye ken, I'm sure I folded that.' River  . 'Yer, definitely folded that' (the hand which gave me the nut boat). Thankfully (sighs) he was honest and the dealer admitted yes, perhaps he was indeed dealing from the muck.

[Claw75]

Opened this up expecting "I only kissed her"

I would have told him if it happened more than once.  

Something similar came up in a self-dealt game last week - I saw the bottom card on the deck was a 4 before it was cut (as well might the whole of the table).  If it had been a high card, I would have said something but didn't say anything - I suppose I thought it would be of no consequence.  I then got dealt pocket fours, which I didn't play as I knew one of my outs had no chance of hitting - I felt like an awful cheat  I couldn't say anything at that stage as I would rightly have been questioned over why I didn't mention it before.  If it had happened again, I would have mentioned it.

[RED-DOG]

It's a difficult one but I for one will be offering to shine my opponents glasses from now on  Only joking.

Surprised at you Red - you are the one who will sit out and wait when your opponent gets disconnected. 

Surprised at me, why, because something didn't occur to me?

[Dingdell]

It's a difficult one but I for one will be offering to shine my opponents glasses from now on  Only joking.

Surprised at you Red - you are the one who will sit out and wait when your opponent gets disconnected. 

Surprised at me, why, because something didn't occur to me?

Yes - You are my poker God - all seeing, all knowing, all moral etc. I was disconnected last week heads up and the other player just kept raising to nick the blinds - all I kept on thinking when I was trying to reconnect was I hope I'm playing someone like Red. x