Morality: Am i a Cheat?

[tikay]

OK, I'm happy with that, i just thought your first response was v offensive to moi.

But Ive enjoyed this debate so far.

I wasn't condoning what i did either....i just thought it was an interesting topic

It IS an interesting topic. Some if us consider it cheating, but it'd probably 50/50 if we read all the Posts. Verey interesting!

[thetank]

Quodos to OP.

Something most of us have done (in some form or another) but no-one admits to. Makes for an interesting subject.

Like Mango99, very interesting point he made. No-one picked up on it when he posted his real hustle, so why is there such indignance at Horneris here?
Like if you punch the local vicar in the pub, they chase you out of the village with pitchforks. If you lay that same left hook on the poacher, they buy you a pint.
Is it unreasonable to make this distinction? The character of the victim so radically affecting the seriousness of the crime.

Then of course, what of the matter of degrees?
If I'm staring at a player in a heads up pot, trying my hardest to get information from their mannerisms. If while I'm doing this, I see reflected in their sunglasses that both their hole cards are black, what is one to do with that information as the hand plays out?

Or the same situation as OP, but open handed man has KK, and you have AA? Are you going to speak up and make sure his hand is declared dead?

[bolt pp]

What if the vicars stealing your chickens?

[tikay]

What if the vicars stealing your chickens?

that's fair game......

[I KNOW IT]

Try the more subtle approach next time

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[KingPoker]

What if the vicars stealing your chickens?

that's fair game......

Its stolen game!

[ariston]

probably gonna get murdered for saying this but poker is a game of information and you have been given so much information here it would be wrong not to use it. I can't say hand on heart I wouldn't use the information given to me as I haven't been put in this position before but I do not class you as a cheat. I have posted here before reading everyone else's thoughts  on this BTW and I will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. To leave a mug with his money is a cardinal sin in poker and if you don't take it then somebody else will (you think this is the first time he has done this and that he has never been told about it before??).

I play poker for money at the end of the day and it is my opponents job to protect his cards- if he doesn't its not my fault. I may have a word at some stage but I couldn't say for certain wether it would be straight away or not and if he continued to show me his cards after that then its his fault not mine.

Anybody on here who has jumped on him for being a cheat ask your self a simple question. Say tomorrow you logged in to stars/crypto/betfair or whichever site is your poison and found when you sat at any cash table due to a glitch in the software you could see all your opponents whole cards. How many of you would log out and send an email to the site or how many of you would go and sit on the biggest table you could buy into and sit with a bunch of scandies? I know where I would be and it wouldn't be hotmail it would be the 100/200nl or wherever I could clean up quickest.

[Muahahahaha]

I've only played live poker once, & the guy that took me ( a very experienced player ) said it was my responsibility to keep my cards private.  I'm pretty sure I read in a book of Doyles articles from the 70's & 80's that he says exactly the same thing.

So surely if someone were trying to see his cards, that would be cheating, or seeking to gain an unfair advantage.

But if you weren't trying to see, but were inadvertantly shown, surely that would come under the heading of information gained.

Admitedly, in that game I played, I told the table it was my first game, & one of the regulars actually pointed out that he saw my cards once.  I appreciated his tip.  So maybe if the bloke in the original post was a new visitor, a quick comment may have been 'nice'.  But I don't see how anyone can condemn something that isn't against the rules of the game.  ( unless of course I'm wrong about that ).

Apparantly it was once considered by some to be unsporting to use the check raise in a friendly game.  What a rediculous idea.  ( Again, according to Doyle's book ).   

[AdamM]

If I see someones cards accidentally and I'm not in the hand I tell him to keep them down. If I'm in the hand or have yet to decide I'll tell the table I've seen his cards and what I've seen. I do think by not doing so I'm acting dishonestly. I would do the same if it was someone pitching their cards too high when passing or player dealers not using cut cards and exposing bottom cards.

if a couple of warnings don't do the job the Tournament Director needas to be told. situations could arise where spectators are seeing the cards and signaling to players and the integrity of the whole game starts to fall apart.

[Sunday8pm]

All Depends to me how big my bankroll is

No seriously i would announce it first time and if it continued to happen i wouldn't say a thing. In fact id consider buying a periscope