top uk poker player

[sofa----king]

yeah but ram didn't play too good the other night on will hill and praz won a GUKPT so he's obv better than him.

Yup, Praz won the GUKPT. And The Broadway. And a WSOP Bracelet first time of asking. And three-way chopped the $1,000 Daily Bellagio Tourney three days straight.

Ram is world-class, no doubt at all, but we are talking "current form", as I recall.

i didnt know all that about him.,.,.hats off top player .,one to watch i would imagine.,.,

[byronkincaid]

OK being serious for just one sec, Tikay who out of Sofa's and your lists do you think could beat the 25/50 NL cash games on Poker Stars. They are meant to be very very tough games with lots of kids who know NL HE theory stone cold. Imagine a table of Totalises but some are probably a little bit better and some will be way ahead of tote.

Ram and roland I believe play higher so there's a good chance they could beat it. I would make the suggestion to get some discussion that John Gale couldn't. In fact i have seen some of these players who post on 2p2 ripping the piss out of some of John's play when they've been at the same table in tournements.

Cos the feeling is that anyone can get lucky in a few comps so the best way to judge a player is on his cash game play.

[AndrewT]

What relevance does 'current form' have in the super-high variance world of MTTs?

How do you know any recent multiple winner isn't just on a red hot luck streak?

[bolt pp]

What relevance does 'current form' have in the super-high variance world of MTTs?

How do you know any recent multiple winner isn't just on a red hot luck streak?

Exactly

[tikay]

What relevance does 'current form' have in the super-high variance world of MTTs?

How do you know any recent multiple winner isn't just on a red hot luck streak?

Entirely possible Andrew. The question was, well, the answer was, "on current form".

Over the longer term, based on British Tournament Play, I'd play safe & go for Monty Burns I think. We know he can do it year in, year out.

[tikay]

OK being serious for just one sec, Tikay who out of Sofa's and your lists do you think could beat the 25/50 NL cash games on Poker Stars. They are meant to be very very tough games with lots of kids who know NL HE theory stone cold. Imagine a table of Totalises but some are probably a little bit better and some will be way ahead of tote.

Ram and roland I believe play higher so there's a good chance they could beat it. I would make the suggestion to get some discussion that John Gale couldn't. In fact i have seen some of these players who post on 2p2 ripping the piss out of some of John's play when they've been at the same table in tournements.

Cos the feeling is that anyone can get lucky in a few comps so the best way to judge a player is on his cash game play.

Who, of Sofa's list, could beat the Star's 25/50 NL game? No idea, but if I had to bet on two of them, I'd pick JP & Roland. But I just don't know, who does?

Could John Gale beat it? I have no idea of his cash-game skills. The Gale-knockers have been on his case a goodly while, particularly the kids, "he can't play", but have you seen his record? 6 x 6 figure cashes in 2 years including a WPT & a WSOP Bangle. Who else can boast that? A few, maybe, but not many. He has a very unorthodox style, & his oppos mock him for it. The man is grossly under-rated, & credit to the UK.

[KingPoker]

I know people will argue that every winner of a tournament has to luck out but have you seen the outdraws he puts on people! Its unbelievable. The prime example being the PL HE WSOP event, he should have been first out but hit one of his 3 outs with J 8 against A 8.
I dont dare say he is not a good player, he s excellent,  but when you get the luckouts he does it does make it a little easier!

And that awful beat he put on hachem by calling joes all in when he knew he was beat to luck an ace on the river! Most people would get punished for making them calls but he comes out smelling of roses in a lot more than he deserves!

[tikay]

I know people will argue that every winner of a tournament has to luck out but have you seen the outdraws he puts on people! Its unbelievable. The prime example being the PL HE WSOP event, he should have been first out but hit one of his 3 outs with J 8 against A 8.
I dont dare say he is not a good player, he s excellent,  but when you get the luckouts he does it does make it a little easier!

And that awful beat he put on hachem by calling joes all in when he knew he was beat to luck an ace on the river! Most people would get punished for making them calls but he comes out smelling of roses in a lot more than he deserves!

Fair enough, but you can't tell only half the story. Did you see how John outplayed & out-thought our good friend Brian Wilson in the 2005 $5,000 PLH WSOP Final, only for Brian to repeatedly get lucky on him? Undaunted, he returned a year later, & bagged his own Bracelet. That's the way to do it. Look him up on the Databases & say you ain't impressed with his 2 year record. There ain't many Brits done as well as him.

[The Baron]

I have to agree with tikay.

Who cares what the 2+2 kids or anyone else thinks? I'm sure John Gale doesn't. His record speaks for itself.

I'm not even going to try to be a judge on players so obviously more superior than me. I'm not nearly qualified enough to say someone isn't as good as someone else.

What I do know is, they're all pretty shit hot.

[KingPoker]

I know people will argue that every winner of a tournament has to luck out but have you seen the outdraws he puts on people! Its unbelievable. The prime example being the PL HE WSOP event, he should have been first out but hit one of his 3 outs with J 8 against A 8.
I dont dare say he is not a good player, he s excellent,  but when you get the luckouts he does it does make it a little easier!

And that awful beat he put on hachem by calling joes all in when he knew he was beat to luck an ace on the river! Most people would get punished for making them calls but he comes out smelling of roses in a lot more than he deserves!

Fair enough, but you can't tell only half the story. Did you see how John outplayed & out-thought our good friend Brian Wilson in the 2005 $5,000 PLH WSOP Final, only for Brian to repeatedly get lucky on him? Undaunted, he returned a year later, & bagged his own Bracelet. That's the way to do it. Look him up on the Databases & say you ain't impressed with his 2 year record. There ain't many Brits done as well as him.

I agree I saw that too but i believe he got lucky heads up which ppl can do, john seems to get luck throughout.
I understand what he has achieved but like i said it is a little bit easier when you get the luck he does. Kudos to john and to be honest the uk wouldnt have had much of a showing over the pond if it wasnt for him!
You cant dislike him coz he is such a nice bloke anway! Bit like me!

[tikay]

I know people will argue that every winner of a tournament has to luck out but have you seen the outdraws he puts on people! Its unbelievable. The prime example being the PL HE WSOP event, he should have been first out but hit one of his 3 outs with J 8 against A 8.
I dont dare say he is not a good player, he s excellent,  but when you get the luckouts he does it does make it a little easier!

And that awful beat he put on hachem by calling joes all in when he knew he was beat to luck an ace on the river! Most people would get punished for making them calls but he comes out smelling of roses in a lot more than he deserves!

Fair enough, but you can't tell only half the story. Did you see how John outplayed & out-thought our good friend Brian Wilson in the 2005 $5,000 PLH WSOP Final, only for Brian to repeatedly get lucky on him? Undaunted, he returned a year later, & bagged his own Bracelet. That's the way to do it. Look him up on the Databases & say you ain't impressed with his 2 year record. There ain't many Brits done as well as him.

I agree I saw that too but i believe he got lucky heads up which ppl can do, john seems to get luck throughout.
I understand what he has achieved but like i said it is a little bit easier when you get the luck he does. Kudos to john and to be honest the uk wouldnt have had much of a showing over the pond if it wasnt for him!
You cant dislike him coz he is such a nice bloke anway! Bit like me!

Sorry, but I don't buy this "luckbox" thing. Do you believe in ghosts, too?

[KingPoker]

What you dont believe in getting a run of cards or times where you just dont seem to be a able to lose?

[rudders]

What you dont believe in getting a run of cards or times where you just dont seem to be a able to lose?

like on sunday you mean??? haha

John gale goy my vote- for tourny play-

OK being serious for just one sec, Tikay who out of Sofa's and your lists do you think could beat the 25/50 NL cash games on Poker Stars. They are meant to be very very tough games with lots of kids who know NL HE theory stone cold. Imagine a table of Totalises but some are probably a little bit better and some will be way ahead of tote.

Ram and roland I believe play higher so there's a good chance they could beat it. I would make the suggestion to get some discussion that John Gale couldn't. In fact i have seen some of these players who post on 2p2 ripping the piss out of some of John's play when they've been at the same table in tournements.

Cos the feeling is that anyone can get lucky in a few comps so the best way to judge a player is on his cash game play.

 dont agree with this- I beleive they are different disciplines- with only the most talented and versatil turning their hand to both at the highest level. e.g phil helmuth  would not be my choice to play cash for me- have you seen high stakes poker?- wouldnt mind him playing the odd tourny for me though!

and yes some plays may be questionable/different hardly the norm- and does not highlight the brilliance of the rest of his play.

[KingPoker]

What you dont believe in getting a run of cards or times where you just dont seem to be a able to lose?

like on sunday you mean??? haha

John gale goy my vote- for tourny play-

OK being serious for just one sec, Tikay who out of Sofa's and your lists do you think could beat the 25/50 NL cash games on Poker Stars. They are meant to be very very tough games with lots of kids who know NL HE theory stone cold. Imagine a table of Totalises but some are probably a little bit better and some will be way ahead of tote.

Ram and roland I believe play higher so there's a good chance they could beat it. I would make the suggestion to get some discussion that John Gale couldn't. In fact i have seen some of these players who post on 2p2 ripping the piss out of some of John's play when they've been at the same table in tournements.

Cos the feeling is that anyone can get lucky in a few comps so the best way to judge a player is on his cash game play.

 dont agree with this- I beleive they are different disciplines- with only the most talented and versatil turning their hand to both at the highest level. e.g phil helmuth  would not be my choice to play cash for me- have you seen high stakes poker?- wouldnt mind him playing the odd tourny for me though!

and yes some plays may be questionable/different hardly the norm- and does not highlight the brilliance of the rest of his play.

Excellent post!

[Royal Flush]

If i had to pick 1 player off the list to play for my life i would flip a coin between JP and Stuart Fox.