Would it be better if England lost to Andorra tonight ?

[Karabiner]

That way McClaren would get the boot and we may still qualify by winning all the rest of our games......

[sharpy]

  Dunno about losing,but we don't look like winning it at the moment.Infact it is a load of shit!!

[Graham C]

Absolutely terrible.  Crowd aren't happy.  I'm not chuffed and I haven't travelled over there!

Pathetic side.  I hope McClaren gets the boot after this, it's woeful.

[kinboshi]

Gerrard didn't play that badly...

[sledge13]

JJ superb post, the only one who showed any effort was Gerrard, yes Mclaren is not ideal but it is the players fault...quite simple, they are out there kicking the damn ball! They were playing virtual part timers and in the first half there was no effort at all, that is down to the players not the manager. I have said before there is no golden generation, just a "hype" generation.   

[Graham C]

Not impressed with Terry coming out and saying the fans booing doesn't help.  Of course it doesn't but they are paid enough money to do a better job than this.  Rio was saying earlier that regardless of money, they're all proud to wear the England shirt - I'm not convinced by that at all.

Bring back Beckham, he should never have been dropped imo.

[kinboshi]

Not impressed with Terry coming out and saying the fans booing doesn't help.  Of course it doesn't but they are paid enough money to do a better job than this.  Rio was saying earlier that regardless of money, they're all proud to wear the England shirt - I'm not convinced by that at all.

Bring back Beckham, he should never have been dropped imo.

Should have been dropped a long time ago.  Well before the World Cup.

[AdamM]

first job, surely we can put together a 1st 11 of world class players. Beckham will be back when fit. we can easily get two good years from him and he IS world Class.

Downing, Richards not convinced
Johnson, good player but not world class.

Robinson, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Neville, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney are all world class but need a rocket up their arses.

Midfield, Gerrard/Lampard CAN work in a more attacking game. Hargreaves / Gerrard in more defensive games.

Rooney needs a goal poaching partner. NOT big bird.

I think Maclaren is capable of the job but he's certainly buggering it up at the minute

 

[kinboshi]

first job, surely we can put together a 1st 11 of world class players. Beckham will be back when fit. we can easily get two good years from him and he IS world Class.

WAS world class - his best days are behind him, and he's lackng in so many areas now (speed, defensive capabilities, ability to take on a player, etc.).  He's still got a great right foot, but unfortunately that's not enough.  Also, we don't have 11 world-class players in the England team, certainly not across all the positions.  Yesterday we had three world-class players - Gerrard, Rooney and Terry.  Of course, this is dependent on your definition of world class.

Downing, Richards not convinced

I agree with this, although Richards is still young and improving (whereas Cole is going in the other direction...)

Johnson, good player but not world class.

Shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.

Robinson, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Neville, Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney are all world class but need a rocket up their arses.

Gerrard's doing his bit.  But one man doesn't make a team.

Midfield, Gerrard/Lampard CAN work in a more attacking game. Hargreaves / Gerrard in more defensive games.

Gerrard and Lampard could only work together in the middle if the formation is different.  England won't be playing that formation, certainly not with McClaren in charge.

Rooney needs a goal poaching partner. NOT big bird.

Why not Crouch?  He's been scoring for fun for England, and he adds a lot more to the team (when they don't just launch long balls at him - although it's better doing that than lobbing in high crosses to Rooney, Defoe, Johnson and the rest of the seven dwarves.

England miss Crouch when he's not available, but I guess there are lots of England (and Liverpool) fans who just won't ever warm to him.

I think Maclaren is capable of the job but he's certainly buggering it up at the minute

McClaren isn't capable.  He hasn't achieved anything outstanding at club level, and certainly isn't doing anything to shine at the moment.  He's got the job because the first choice was unavailable, and the second choice of an 'English manager' didn't bring up any available candidates - other than him.

[The Baron]

Such a shame a 3-0 win wont be enough for him to go.

[Rod Paradise]

BTW you don't need 11 world class players to win things. You need a team with guts & who'll work, then you need a few players with the special bit that can raise the whole team to a new level. Too much shoehorning in of all "good" players irrespective of position/blend is the thing that hurts England most IMHO.

[The Baron]

BTW you don't need 11 world class players to win things. You need a team with guts & who'll work, then you need a few players with the special bit that can raise the whole team to a new level. Too much shoehorning in of all "good" players irrespective of position/blend is the thing that hurts England most IMHO.

Spot on. Look at Greece 3 years ago.

[kinboshi]

BTW you don't need 11 world class players to win things. You need a team with guts & who'll work, then you need a few players with the special bit that can raise the whole team to a new level. Too much shoehorning in of all "good" players irrespective of position/blend is the thing that hurts England most IMHO.

 

Compare Spain and Germany.

[AdamM]

I still think Beckham is world class. It's been very trendy to knock him for a few years now and, while I accept he had a poor world cup, so did most of the team. Every member of a team does a job and Beckham on the right putting balls on a sixpence is something we sorely miss. he's not the best tackler in the team but he's not the worst. his commitment has always been beyond question. also, you don't need to be quick when you can deliver a ball 20 yards earlier than anyone else. Beckham alone doesn't solve the problems but England with him would be stronger than England without him.

Ashley Cole, I couldn't agree more. He is world class BUT he's been very unimpressive for a while now..

Crouch, I can't put my finger on it. Just don't see him as our centre forward. Obviously we'd all like the Michael Owen we were promised in France 98 but he injuries seem to constantly stop us getting him.

I like Maclaren. he's an honest hard working bloke. He's been written off before he even started by many and he's yet to do anything to answer his critics but I don't see him losing the job unless we fail to qualify. I'd love for him to turn it around, qualify and then do well but we'll have to wait and see on that one.

[Horneris]

MCLAREN OUT.

Because he used to be Assistant manager at Scumchester,

ALLARDYCE IN.