Booing a player for your national team

[kinboshi]

maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good.................

They look good when playing against the likes of Charlton () and Watford week in week out but when it comes to playing against the best in Europe and the World then maybe they cant live up to the hype.

Yes English teams to well in Europe - but then how many "English" teams have more than 50% English players?

Man u - Neville, Brown, Ferdinand, Smith, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreaves, Foster, Scholes, (and some other non-English players from the British Isles).

They won the league as well, so are the strongest team (over the course of a season).

hargreaves and foster didnt win the league 

A valid point, but they're English (well sort of!) and it's still 7 players without them.

[turny]

maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good.................

They look good when playing against the likes of Charlton () and Watford week in week out but when it comes to playing against the best in Europe and the World then maybe they cant live up to the hype.

Yes English teams to well in Europe - but then how many "English" teams have more than 50% English players?

Man u - Neville, Brown, Ferdinand, Smith, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreaves, Foster, Scholes, (and some other non-English players from the British Isles).

They won the league as well, so are the strongest team (over the course of a season).

hargreaves and foster didnt win the league 

A valid point, but they're English (well sort of!) and it's still 7 players without them.

roughly the same as chelsea and a hell of a lot more than arsenal!

[matt674]

maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good.................

They look good when playing against the likes of Charlton () and Watford week in week out but when it comes to playing against the best in Europe and the World then maybe they cant live up to the hype.

Yes English teams to well in Europe - but then how many "English" teams have more than 50% English players?

Man u - Neville, Brown, Ferdinand, Smith, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreaves, Foster, Scholes, (and some other non-English players from the British Isles).

They won the league as well, so are the strongest team (over the course of a season).

Man u -

Neville - too old for international football
Brown - not good enough (yet maybe)
Ferdinand - good enough (when he can be bothered)
Smith - Not world class standard, well down the pecking order for country selection
Rooney - good enough (yet to prove it on a consistant basis)
Carrick - monkey jury still out on this one
Hargreaves - only just signed
Foster - not good enough for country
Scholes - retired from international football

So of the United squad only two could be classed as good international players, one would never make a world 11 (Ferdinand) and the other needs to start playing well for his country on a consistant basis to become a world great (Rooney)

Maybe, just maybe - Englands so called "world" superstars just aren't that good...........

[kinboshi]

Maybe Lampard doesnt play that well for England as he is not getting paid £100k+ a week to play for them. I beleive,and I have beleived now for quite a few years, that without a doubt international football comes a very poor 2nd to club football.

tell that to john terry, david beckham, wayne rooney and stevie g that to name just a few

Beckham and Owen are two players that you definitely can't criticise for playing well for their country.  They seem to shine with the threelions on their shirt.  The others you mentioned always play with the same intensity (from what I can see), and want to win for club or country.

BUT, there are players that don't play as well for their country - whether it be every game or the occasional game.  Some just don't care.

like who?


i refuse to accept that anyone pulling on a national team shirt doesn't care!
especially a player with over 50 caps. im sure he woulda been found out by the powers that be long before then

Did you see the Andorra game? 

no i didnt actually but are you saying there were players walking around deliberatly not trying?

It looked that way.  Honestly did.

The first half display was the worst I've seen by an England team in years.  Playing a team who had conceded about 20 goals in their previous 4 qualifiers, we didn't even get a shot off for the first 13 minutes!  That happened to be a free-kick and the ball has not been seen since it was so far off target. 

We spent most of that half passing the ball sideways and backwards in our own half.  Against a team of semi-professionals.

The players were not trying - or they'd all been hit by a mysterious bug that brings on lethargy and indifference.

[Bazzaboy]

Football fans are fickle...always have been always will be.  Hargreaves was being booed before the last WC, couple of good performances and he is accepted and they go looking for another scapegoat.

[Pelham Boy]

I dont think Gerrard has played well for England either. Lampard probably hasn't done it for England since Euro 2004,when he was outstanding,certainly head and shoulders above Gerrard at that tournament.

IMO the problem with Lampard is he has played too much football over the last 2 or 3 years,the bloke needs a rest.He should have been given the summer off and he might have been back to his best next season.

[kinboshi]

Football fans are fickle...always have been always will be.  Hargreaves was being booed before the last WC, couple of good performances and he is accepted and they go looking for another scapegoat.

Definitely true.  Beckham, Hargreaves, Crouch, Lampard, etc.

Not a fan of booing my own team though.  Might shout some friendly words of criticism (not usually family friendly though), but the mass booing can't be productive - can it?

[Bazzaboy]

Football fans are fickle...always have been always will be.  Hargreaves was being booed before the last WC, couple of good performances and he is accepted and they go looking for another scapegoat.

Definitely true.  Beckham, Hargreaves, Crouch, Lampard, etc.

Not a fan of booing my own team though.  Might shout some friendly words of criticism (not usually family friendly though), but the mass booing can't be productive - can it?

Can only be counter-productive imo.  But it happens all the time both and club and international level.

[Acidmouse]

England fans and footy fans in general are pretty much fukwits..

Leeds fans were booing a few players this season, makes no sense to me..

People who pay decent money to go and watch so called "quality" players deserve to get their moneys worth, England's recent performances have not been good enough and someone who has paid £250-£400 to take the family to watch has a right to vent his frustration at those players he has paid to watch who are not performing to the best of their ability.

lol I am sorry but if some idiot pays 250-400 to watch footy esp England they deserve a shit game to whine at, mugs.

[The Baron]

England fans and footy fans in general are pretty much fukwits..

Leeds fans were booing a few players this season, makes no sense to me..

People who pay decent money to go and watch so called "quality" players deserve to get their moneys worth, England's recent performances have not been good enough and someone who has paid £250-£400 to take the family to watch has a right to vent his frustration at those players he has paid to watch who are not performing to the best of their ability.

lol I am sorry but if some idiot pays 250-400 to watch footy esp England they deserve a shit game to whine at, mugs.

It could be worse, could have watched one of the other home nations for free. Now that's really torture!

[roverthtaeh]

There is one significant difference between the Chelsea Lampard and the England Lampard and that is quite simply what the two different managers ask of him.
Whilst Mourinho maximises Lampard's potential and brings the best out of him, Mclaren stifles his ability and tries to change the way he plays week in week out, much as Eriksson did.
Various England managers have done this over the years and will continue to do so because they feel superior to club managers and believe they understand more about the player, despite the fact that a good club manager knows more about his individual players than anyone else.
And so long as there is a wedge driven between club managers and international managers regarding availability, it will continue to happen.

[AdamM]

Gerrard is asked to play out of position by England Managers and does a great job where ever he plays. Rooney, Hargreaves, Beckham, Cole, Carragher, etc have all been played out of position in the past and are expected to put up a good performance.

Lampard is playing in his favoured role, ahead of Gerrard and is falling short. thats Lampards fault, not McLarens

still shouldn't be booing him though

[roverthtaeh]

I didn't say 'playing out of position'.
Mourinho allows Lampard the freedom to express himself. He boosts Lampard's confidence with his man-management skills.
He told the press Lampard was the best midfielder in the world - how do you think that makes Frank feel?
Mclaren shackles Lampard, he gives him extra duties which only serve to supress his natural instincts.
Every individual player needs to be handled differently from a pyschological point of view. Some need a kick up the arse, some need reassurance. Week in week out a top club professional knows exactly what is required of him. Then he turns up for the England gathering and is asked to perform different tasks.
Ask Mourinho why Lampard under-performs for his country. Better yet, let Mourinho have Mclaren's job.

[AdamM]

Mourinho for England? no thanks

If Lampard, or any other player can't motivate and reassure himself in an England shirt then he shouldn't be wearing it. McLaren isn't going to build a team around Lampard, being sure to only ask him to do what he's comfortable doing. Not sure exactly how McLaren is stiffling Lampard but International football USUALLY requires players to perform a different role to their club football.

[turny]

Gerrard is asked to play out of position by England Managers and does a great job where ever he plays. Rooney, Hargreaves, Beckham, Cole, Carragher, etc have all been played out of position in the past and are expected to put up a good performance.

Lampard is playing in his favoured role, ahead of Gerrard and is falling short. thats Lampards fault, not McLarens

still shouldn't be booing him though

gerrard has played the majority of his liverpool games in right midfield so when plays in central midfield for england hes out of position