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scotty2hatty
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8295 on:
April 28, 2014, 12:01:09 AM »
Quote from: arbboy on April 27, 2014, 01:31:14 PM
gl liverpool fans. Even though it will cost me a fortune if liverpool win the league having to win 11 on the bounce to get to this spot shows what a great bet it was opposing liverpool when i did just unfortunate they have gone on the heater of all heaters.
Great is debatable
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8296 on:
April 28, 2014, 12:06:54 AM »
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: redarmi on April 27, 2014, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
It is results orientated but then so is all of the "we're gonna score one more than you" stuff which is very sexy but ultimately celebrates the fact that a team is defensively poor and, for an elite team, this is a very poor defensive team that has already conceded one more goal than every premiership winner in the modern era. All of the fluid movement and pace in the world isn't going to create many opportunities against a Chelsea team that has 9 men in the penalty box and everyone that bemoans Mourinho for doing that ignores the fact that that is very likely to get all three points against a team that, since the beginning of February, has conceded 3 goals against Swansea and Cardiff and 2 goals to Fulham and Norwich. When that is your defence you better come up with a way to score because the chances are you aren't stopping Torres, Ba, Lampard and Schurrle.
All that said I am not sure that I would have known what to do if I was Brendan Rodgers because he doesn't have the kind of physical players up front that you are going to need to create opportunities and space against a Chelsea team playing like that but that is a failure of recruitment. Even City who play a similar game have Dzeko for those games when that is needed. Irrespective I am not sure Rodgers doesn't have to take some of the blame for their defensive failings if not today then over the entire season.
They just weren't supposed to be were they're at, I'm sure he knows there defence isn't good enough but just didn't have the funds available to strengthen as was needed.
As for Mourinho, GOAT.
GOAT?
I cannot agree with that.
Even with the missing players Chelsea's starting eleven still cost more than Liverpool's
Yes, they won, but only down to one individual slipping.
They came to Liverpool with no ambition other than clawing out a 0-0 draw.
If I was Ambramovic I'd be furious.
To be GOAT you need to produce teams that not only win, but play with style, panache and adventure.
Sort of like the way Alex Ferguson set up his teams.
Mourinho is tedious bad loser who is good at eking out 0-0 draws. GOAT at that.
Hope Roman sacks him again. It's only a matter of time.
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8297 on:
April 28, 2014, 12:21:52 AM »
Quote from: scotty2hatty on April 28, 2014, 12:01:09 AM
Quote from: arbboy on April 27, 2014, 01:31:14 PM
gl liverpool fans. Even though it will cost me a fortune if liverpool win the league having to win 11 on the bounce to get to this spot shows what a great bet it was opposing liverpool when i did just unfortunate they have gone on the heater of all heaters.
Great is debatable
maybe you think laying a team at 7/1
who then win 33 out of 36 points
and are still odds against to win the league is bad business
sounds like a pretty good lay to me
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8298 on:
April 28, 2014, 12:23:07 AM »
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 12:06:54 AM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: redarmi on April 27, 2014, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
It is results orientated but then so is all of the "we're gonna score one more than you" stuff which is very sexy but ultimately celebrates the fact that a team is defensively poor and, for an elite team, this is a very poor defensive team that has already conceded one more goal than every premiership winner in the modern era. All of the fluid movement and pace in the world isn't going to create many opportunities against a Chelsea team that has 9 men in the penalty box and everyone that bemoans Mourinho for doing that ignores the fact that that is very likely to get all three points against a team that, since the beginning of February, has conceded 3 goals against Swansea and Cardiff and 2 goals to Fulham and Norwich. When that is your defence you better come up with a way to score because the chances are you aren't stopping Torres, Ba, Lampard and Schurrle.
All that said I am not sure that I would have known what to do if I was Brendan Rodgers because he doesn't have the kind of physical players up front that you are going to need to create opportunities and space against a Chelsea team playing like that but that is a failure of recruitment. Even City who play a similar game have Dzeko for those games when that is needed. Irrespective I am not sure Rodgers doesn't have to take some of the blame for their defensive failings if not today then over the entire season.
They just weren't supposed to be were they're at, I'm sure he knows there defence isn't good enough but just didn't have the funds available to strengthen as was needed.
As for Mourinho, GOAT.
GOAT?
I cannot agree with that.
Even with the missing players Chelsea's starting eleven still cost more than Liverpool's
Yes, they won, but only down to one individual slipping.
They came to Liverpool with no ambition other than clawing out a 0-0 draw.
If I was Ambramovic I'd be furious.
To be GOAT you need to produce teams that not only win, but play with style, panache and adventure.
Sort of like the way Alex Ferguson set up his teams.
Mourinho is tedious bad loser who is good at eking out 0-0 draws. GOAT at that.
Hope Roman sacks him again. It's only a matter of time.
Sorry Keith Disagree
Knew exactly how to play it.
Mind games earlier in the week and saying he will potentially play a weekend team.
Kudos to the man.
Not everyone loves him but not everyone understands him
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8299 on:
April 28, 2014, 12:47:51 AM »
Quote from: ForthThistle on April 28, 2014, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 12:06:54 AM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: redarmi on April 27, 2014, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
It is results orientated but then so is all of the "we're gonna score one more than you" stuff which is very sexy but ultimately celebrates the fact that a team is defensively poor and, for an elite team, this is a very poor defensive team that has already conceded one more goal than every premiership winner in the modern era. All of the fluid movement and pace in the world isn't going to create many opportunities against a Chelsea team that has 9 men in the penalty box and everyone that bemoans Mourinho for doing that ignores the fact that that is very likely to get all three points against a team that, since the beginning of February, has conceded 3 goals against Swansea and Cardiff and 2 goals to Fulham and Norwich. When that is your defence you better come up with a way to score because the chances are you aren't stopping Torres, Ba, Lampard and Schurrle.
All that said I am not sure that I would have known what to do if I was Brendan Rodgers because he doesn't have the kind of physical players up front that you are going to need to create opportunities and space against a Chelsea team playing like that but that is a failure of recruitment. Even City who play a similar game have Dzeko for those games when that is needed. Irrespective I am not sure Rodgers doesn't have to take some of the blame for their defensive failings if not today then over the entire season.
They just weren't supposed to be were they're at, I'm sure he knows there defence isn't good enough but just didn't have the funds available to strengthen as was needed.
As for Mourinho, GOAT.
GOAT?
I cannot agree with that.
Even with the missing players Chelsea's starting eleven still cost more than Liverpool's
Yes, they won, but only down to one individual slipping.
They came to Liverpool with no ambition other than clawing out a 0-0 draw.
If I was Ambramovic I'd be furious.
To be GOAT you need to produce teams that not only win, but play with style, panache and adventure.
Sort of like the way Alex Ferguson set up his teams.
Mourinho is tedious bad loser who is good at eking out 0-0 draws. GOAT at that.
Hope Roman sacks him again. It's only a matter of time.
Sorry Keith Disagree
Knew exactly how to play it.
Mind games earlier in the week and saying he will potentially play a weekend team.
Kudos to the man.
Not everyone loves him but not everyone understands him
If you think winning football matches no matter what the style, then yes he's obv pretty good.
But if I'd spent what RA had spent, I'd want to be entertained as well as win.
Ajax, Barca, Madrid, Man United have all done it in the last 30 years.
Chelsea haven't been as successful as any of those clubs despite spending comparable money and playing infinitely duller brand of football.
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8300 on:
April 28, 2014, 12:50:58 AM »
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 12:47:51 AM
Quote from: ForthThistle on April 28, 2014, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 12:06:54 AM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: redarmi on April 27, 2014, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
It is results orientated but then so is all of the "we're gonna score one more than you" stuff which is very sexy but ultimately celebrates the fact that a team is defensively poor and, for an elite team, this is a very poor defensive team that has already conceded one more goal than every premiership winner in the modern era. All of the fluid movement and pace in the world isn't going to create many opportunities against a Chelsea team that has 9 men in the penalty box and everyone that bemoans Mourinho for doing that ignores the fact that that is very likely to get all three points against a team that, since the beginning of February, has conceded 3 goals against Swansea and Cardiff and 2 goals to Fulham and Norwich. When that is your defence you better come up with a way to score because the chances are you aren't stopping Torres, Ba, Lampard and Schurrle.
All that said I am not sure that I would have known what to do if I was Brendan Rodgers because he doesn't have the kind of physical players up front that you are going to need to create opportunities and space against a Chelsea team playing like that but that is a failure of recruitment. Even City who play a similar game have Dzeko for those games when that is needed. Irrespective I am not sure Rodgers doesn't have to take some of the blame for their defensive failings if not today then over the entire season.
They just weren't supposed to be were they're at, I'm sure he knows there defence isn't good enough but just didn't have the funds available to strengthen as was needed.
As for Mourinho, GOAT.
GOAT?
I cannot agree with that.
Even with the missing players Chelsea's starting eleven still cost more than Liverpool's
Yes, they won, but only down to one individual slipping.
They came to Liverpool with no ambition other than clawing out a 0-0 draw.
If I was Ambramovic I'd be furious.
To be GOAT you need to produce teams that not only win, but play with style, panache and adventure.
Sort of like the way Alex Ferguson set up his teams.
Mourinho is tedious bad loser who is good at eking out 0-0 draws. GOAT at that.
Hope Roman sacks him again. It's only a matter of time.
Sorry Keith Disagree
Knew exactly how to play it.
Mind games earlier in the week and saying he will potentially play a weekend team.
Kudos to the man.
Not everyone loves him but not everyone understands him
If you think winning football matches no matter what the style, then yes he's obv pretty good.
But if I'd spent what RA had spent, I'd want to be entertained as well as win.
Ajax, Barca, Madrid, Man United have all done it in the last 30 years.
Chelsea haven't been as successful as any of those clubs despite spending comparable money and playing infinitely duller brand of football.
Are you pissed if He signs as the QPR manager in the summer?
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8301 on:
April 28, 2014, 12:54:10 AM »
Quote from: ForthThistle on April 28, 2014, 12:50:58 AM
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 12:47:51 AM
Quote from: ForthThistle on April 28, 2014, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 12:06:54 AM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: redarmi on April 27, 2014, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
It is results orientated but then so is all of the "we're gonna score one more than you" stuff which is very sexy but ultimately celebrates the fact that a team is defensively poor and, for an elite team, this is a very poor defensive team that has already conceded one more goal than every premiership winner in the modern era. All of the fluid movement and pace in the world isn't going to create many opportunities against a Chelsea team that has 9 men in the penalty box and everyone that bemoans Mourinho for doing that ignores the fact that that is very likely to get all three points against a team that, since the beginning of February, has conceded 3 goals against Swansea and Cardiff and 2 goals to Fulham and Norwich. When that is your defence you better come up with a way to score because the chances are you aren't stopping Torres, Ba, Lampard and Schurrle.
All that said I am not sure that I would have known what to do if I was Brendan Rodgers because he doesn't have the kind of physical players up front that you are going to need to create opportunities and space against a Chelsea team playing like that but that is a failure of recruitment. Even City who play a similar game have Dzeko for those games when that is needed. Irrespective I am not sure Rodgers doesn't have to take some of the blame for their defensive failings if not today then over the entire season.
They just weren't supposed to be were they're at, I'm sure he knows there defence isn't good enough but just didn't have the funds available to strengthen as was needed.
As for Mourinho, GOAT.
GOAT?
I cannot agree with that.
Even with the missing players Chelsea's starting eleven still cost more than Liverpool's
Yes, they won, but only down to one individual slipping.
They came to Liverpool with no ambition other than clawing out a 0-0 draw.
If I was Ambramovic I'd be furious.
To be GOAT you need to produce teams that not only win, but play with style, panache and adventure.
Sort of like the way Alex Ferguson set up his teams.
Mourinho is tedious bad loser who is good at eking out 0-0 draws. GOAT at that.
Hope Roman sacks him again. It's only a matter of time.
Sorry Keith Disagree
Knew exactly how to play it.
Mind games earlier in the week and saying he will potentially play a weekend team.
Kudos to the man.
Not everyone loves him but not everyone understands him
If you think winning football matches no matter what the style, then yes he's obv pretty good.
But if I'd spent what RA had spent, I'd want to be entertained as well as win.
Ajax, Barca, Madrid, Man United have all done it in the last 30 years.
Chelsea haven't been as successful as any of those clubs despite spending comparable money and playing infinitely duller brand of football.
Are you pissed if He signs as the QPR manager in the summer?
Absolutely mortified.
I wouldn't go while he was in charge.
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8302 on:
April 28, 2014, 01:06:13 AM »
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 12:06:54 AM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: redarmi on April 27, 2014, 10:52:36 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
It is results orientated but then so is all of the "we're gonna score one more than you" stuff which is very sexy but ultimately celebrates the fact that a team is defensively poor and, for an elite team, this is a very poor defensive team that has already conceded one more goal than every premiership winner in the modern era. All of the fluid movement and pace in the world isn't going to create many opportunities against a Chelsea team that has 9 men in the penalty box and everyone that bemoans Mourinho for doing that ignores the fact that that is very likely to get all three points against a team that, since the beginning of February, has conceded 3 goals against Swansea and Cardiff and 2 goals to Fulham and Norwich. When that is your defence you better come up with a way to score because the chances are you aren't stopping Torres, Ba, Lampard and Schurrle.
All that said I am not sure that I would have known what to do if I was Brendan Rodgers because he doesn't have the kind of physical players up front that you are going to need to create opportunities and space against a Chelsea team playing like that but that is a failure of recruitment. Even City who play a similar game have Dzeko for those games when that is needed. Irrespective I am not sure Rodgers doesn't have to take some of the blame for their defensive failings if not today then over the entire season.
They just weren't supposed to be were they're at, I'm sure he knows there defence isn't good enough but just didn't have the funds available to strengthen as was needed.
As for Mourinho, GOAT.
GOAT?
I cannot agree with that.
Even with the missing players Chelsea's starting eleven still cost more than Liverpool's
Yes, they won, but only down to one individual slipping.
They came to Liverpool with no ambition other than clawing out a 0-0 draw.
If I was Ambramovic I'd be furious.
To be GOAT you need to produce teams that not only win, but play with style, panache and adventure.
Sort of like the way Alex Ferguson set up his teams.
Mourinho is tedious bad loser who is good at eking out 0-0 draws. GOAT at that.
Hope Roman sacks him again. It's only a matter of time.
I also don't agree.
If Ancelotti wins the CL with Real I'm not sure Mourinho's record is even the best in Europe today, let alone GOAT.
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Re: Liverpool FC
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April 28, 2014, 01:11:40 AM »
Quote from: kinboshi on April 27, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
Liverpool are a better team than the 11 that Chelsea put out, if they'd played as well as they did vs City,Utd or Arsenal at Anfield they'd have have won today as well.
Both teams played a style that was expected and Liverpool were big favourites for a reason.
For whatever reason they just didn't perform today, I certainly wouldn't blame it on Rodgers.
If Gerrard didn't make the mistake it would've finished 0-0, not just his fault though, had more than enough time to resolve it.
Also, I doubt this is the end of the twists in the Title race, City 4/5 Liverpool 5/4 at most places, wouldn't be giving up just yet as a Liverpool fan.
Good post imo.
Yup
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8304 on:
April 28, 2014, 01:14:21 AM »
He certainly acted like a goat after the home defeat to Sunderland.
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Re: Liverpool FC
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Reply #8305 on:
April 28, 2014, 02:15:34 AM »
Quote from: The Baron on April 28, 2014, 01:11:40 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 27, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
Liverpool are a better team than the 11 that Chelsea put out, if they'd played as well as they did vs City,Utd or Arsenal at Anfield they'd have have won today as well.
Both teams played a style that was expected and Liverpool were big favourites for a reason.
For whatever reason they just didn't perform today, I certainly wouldn't blame it on Rodgers.
If Gerrard didn't make the mistake it would've finished 0-0, not just his fault though, had more than enough time to resolve it.
Also, I doubt this is the end of the twists in the Title race, City 4/5 Liverpool 5/4 at most places, wouldn't be giving up just yet as a Liverpool fan.
Good post imo.
Yup
City should win the league this season and every season for the foreseeable future.
They have clearly the best squad and they have massively under performed.
Liverpool meanwhile have massively over performed.
Suarez and Sturridge have been unplayable this year but player for player they are a great deal weaker than Citeh.
If you've blown your chance this year, it might be another 20 years before you get another.
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Re: Liverpool FC
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April 28, 2014, 03:32:50 AM »
If Rodgers is to be criticised for the game yesterday, I'd point at Sturridge not starting. If he was fit enough to be on the bench then he could have started. If he could only play 30 minutes - make it the first 30. Then sub him.
Liverpool have gone out and attacked teams early doors. As Rodgers said, get the lead and then the oppositionhhave to come out and attack themselves. We didn't get a shot on the Chelsea goal in the first half. That was where the problem was.
Still, he's done wonders with the squad he has and the season isn't over yet. Time for another twist or two?
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April 28, 2014, 03:33:13 AM »
Oh and congratulations to Suarez.
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Re: Liverpool FC
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April 28, 2014, 07:15:32 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on April 28, 2014, 02:15:34 AM
Quote from: The Baron on April 28, 2014, 01:11:40 AM
Quote from: kinboshi on April 27, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: mondatoo on April 27, 2014, 08:12:03 PM
Just seems really results orientated analysis imo.
Liverpool are a better team than the 11 that Chelsea put out, if they'd played as well as they did vs City,Utd or Arsenal at Anfield they'd have have won today as well.
Both teams played a style that was expected and Liverpool were big favourites for a reason.
For whatever reason they just didn't perform today, I certainly wouldn't blame it on Rodgers.
If Gerrard didn't make the mistake it would've finished 0-0, not just his fault though, had more than enough time to resolve it.
Also, I doubt this is the end of the twists in the Title race, City 4/5 Liverpool 5/4 at most places, wouldn't be giving up just yet as a Liverpool fan.
Good post imo.
Yup
City should win the league this season and every season for the foreseeable future.
They have clearly the best squad and they have massively under performed.
Liverpool meanwhile have massively over performed.
Suarez and Sturridge have been unplayable this year but player for player they are a great deal weaker than Citeh.
If you've blown your chance this year, it might be another 20 years before you get another.
I just don't think City are that good. Without Toure their midfield struggles. Aguero is on another level to the rest. Same goes for Kompany.
If Chelsea buy well I think they'll win it next year.
The PL is the shittest it's been for years quality wise.
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Can't wait for the everton game today best chance for us in city dropping points I still believe
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