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« Reply #1740 on: September 23, 2010, 01:35:57 AM »

Written by another but for me it's nearly word perfect:

I am not going to call for Roy's head because it's futile and pathetic, so early on in his tenure, but I will criticise what was the most tactically inept 120 minutes of football I have ever seen not just in my days watching Liverpool, but in those seeing the game of football happen.
The XI that started were Hodgson's plan A, Hodgson's plan B, Hodgson's plan C.
Actually, I think to insinuate that there was a plan for the game tonight was inaccurate, I've never seen a footballing side play like that.

And here comes the inevitable comparision to Rafa that I'll be criticised for because I need to more on, but I'm not arsed, I'm doing it anyway;
We had some really shite performances in the domestic cup competitions with Rafa, Burnley, Barnsley, Reading x2 but never were we bossed like that at Anfield, never did we look as though not one player knew what their roles were, we controlled games under Rafa, and even when we were shite we were organised. That tonight was shambolic. There was no balance, there was no tact, no guile, no clue. We were overran by a side from League Two, I don't actually think Northampton played that well tonight, they didn't have to they just threw in  a modertaely better performance than our shower and were unfortuate to suffer the indignity of extra time and penalities against whatever that was we did tonight. We are used to seeing an XI whose duties are drummed into them, who individually and collectively know what they are supposed to be doing from minute one to full time, tonight we threw 11 players onto the pitch and essentially waited to see how things panned out.

Defensively we were unbalanced, Wilson looked uncomfortable at full back, Kelly was piss poor, as where Agger and Kyrgiakos.
I thought Lucas and Spearing (in particular) threw in a good shift and battled for us, but they were overran as no one around could string two passes together.
The front four was pure shite for 90/120 minutes:
I have never wanted a Liverpool player to prove his worth more in my life than I have with Ryan Babel, but then you get shite like that from him today, his only contribution in the first half was a series of runs that were wildly offside. And then for the second 45 he contributed a series of a first touches that shot four or five tards out of reach and some gestures of disapproval to that going on around him. Fucking embarrasing, he should be ashamed of himself, he got an opportunity against an opposition of such a low standard, he should have shown some class and thrown in a good shift, created a few chances and said to Ry, thats what I can do, give me a chance against the big boys. Instead he ponces around for 90 minutes ad showed a complete lack of commitment and effort.
Ngog's first touch may well have been his goal. Pacheco was disappointing. And aside from Jova's goal, he did fuck all.

Not having any experience on the bench was criminal,
Not having any experience on the bench when we fielded a weakened team to that extent, even more so.
Not making a fucking substitution until the 90th minute was ridiculous.

In the entire 90 minutes I think I saw Roy stand up once, and all he did there was aimlessly point and return to the dugout, I've said it in a previous thread that I get the impression that Roy sends the side out to see how things pan out until , has a word, then sees how things have panned out at the FT whistle. There isn't any communication from the bench to the boys on the pitch, aside from Sammy Lee getting up, shouting a bit and sitting down. But he has always done that, and will always do that, but where is the communication from the manager? The tactical expertise?

In 2005 we ridiculed Jose Mourinho for throwing on Robert Huth, in the Champions League Semi Final at Anfield, fast forward five years and were throwing our fourth choice centre half, and oddly captain for the night, Kyrgiakos up front because our bench consisted of a load of inexperienced kids and a substitute goalkeeper and it seemed the best option. It was fucking clueless, it was desperate and it was embarrassing.

I can't be arsed to even think about what I'be seen tonight anymore, but big quetion marks have to be held against Roy after that tonight, simply not good enough.
Thanks to firing squad for the "comedy gold" thing and Dr Manhattan for the cape, cheered me up.
Welldone to the three lads, Shelvey, Eccelston and Ince, who came on, all gave a good showing.
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« Reply #1741 on: September 23, 2010, 09:42:47 AM »

Babel has been tweeting his arse off saying he deserves a chance up front, that he can prove himself as a top-class striker.

He didn't last night.  Maybe less effort towards twitter and more to applying himself on the field and he'd be OK.  Simply not good enough.  At one stage Sammy Lee had to shout at Babel to 'watch the game' as Northampton had a free kick and Babel hadn't noticed the player he was meant to be picking up had wandered into acres of space unmarked.  Please can we sell him. Amoo is a far better player than Babel already in my opinion.

Anyway, I'm a Wigan Warriors rugby league fan.  Football's a daft game.... Wink
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« Reply #1742 on: September 23, 2010, 12:44:41 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/
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« Reply #1743 on: September 23, 2010, 02:12:15 PM »


Nail on head. Oct 6th is the date. The next 2 weeks is the clubs most important ever.
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« Reply #1744 on: September 23, 2010, 02:14:04 PM »

Hodgson's job at risk yet ?
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« Reply #1745 on: September 23, 2010, 02:19:48 PM »

Hodgson's job at risk yet ?

No. Were very patient. But those who said he wasn't of the right calibre are saying I told you so. The honeymoon is over fo sho.
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« Reply #1746 on: September 24, 2010, 09:51:14 AM »

Hodgson's job at risk yet ?

No. Were very patient. But those who said he wasn't of the right calibre are saying I told you so. The honeymoon is over fo sho.

How's about if you don't win the next few games and lose to everton on 17-10?
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« Reply #1747 on: September 24, 2010, 10:04:32 AM »

Hodgson's job at risk yet ?

No. Were very patient. But those who said he wasn't of the right calibre are saying I told you so. The honeymoon is over fo sho.

I was unsure about him at the time and still am,problem is I would say he's probably less than 10% to blame for it all.I found it strange that everybody criticised him for playing 4-4-2 at City and slated him for his tactics for being to attacking then he goes to Utd plays 4-5-1 and gets slated for being to defensive.IMO manager's reputations arre built and shattered far to much on short term memory and I was never a fan of Hodgson before the Fulham job and would be suprised if a few didn't think the same way.Maybe the job is to big for him but unless he gets time to do the job we'll never know.
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« Reply #1748 on: September 24, 2010, 10:52:10 AM »

H&G will have to sell for less than their asking price.  There are potential new owners waiting (plural), but because of H&G's delaying tactics, it'll be sometime during this season that it all happens.  Too late to rescue this season though.

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You're 3 points off 4th having already entertained Arsenal and gone away to City and United in the first 5 games,with a new manager,3 new midfielders and one of the worlds top 5 strikers not having started playing yet.

I can understand fans wanting to play down expectations but it's far too early to be making cop-out statements like that!

I'm not being results orientated.  Have you seen us play this season?  Abject to say the least.  We only just managed to salvage a win at Anfield against the Baggies who have never even scored against us at Anfield in the Premiership!  Citeh outclassed us, and we were lucky not to concede more.  We nearly managed to fluke a draw against manu the other day, but it would have been most undeserved.  In Europe, we've managed to stumble passed opposition that would struggle in the SPL.  Other than the game against Arsenal (which we deserved to win imo), I can't remember us putting on a performance that would be worthy of a top 4 side.  I remember the optimism me and the other fans felt on the Kop after the Arsenal match.  We were disappointed to only get a draw with 10 men for the whole of the second half.  If we were playing Arsenal tomorrow I'd be biting your arm off if you offered us a point from the match.  I'm concerned about getting a point or more against Sunderland...

I was one of those who was happy to see Hodgson come in as manager.  Are all the ills of this season down to him?  No, I don't think so - although of course he must shoulder some of the blame.  But with the likes of Lucas, Babel, Ngog, Skrtel and Johnson the way he's been playing this season - he's inherited a lot of players who'd look more at home in the blue and pink of Goodison.  Torres is still finding his fitness and form after a very long injury lay-off, Cole will be coming back into the side for the league games (he's been sorely missed) and for all those who deride Kuyt and were clamouring for Maxi to take his place in the side - I'm sure Maxi's performances recently show why Kuyt is such an important (dare I say critical) member of the side.  The sooner he recovers, the better.

The pluses this season have been the signing of Meireles, who I think is perfect for the side and for the Premiership - and the signing of Cole.  But they aren't going to paper over the cracks that are apparent in the rest of the side.  We're back to relying on Gerrard to bail us out all the time.  He's good (very good obviously), but he's not super-human.

Who do I blame?  G&H.
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« Reply #1749 on: September 24, 2010, 11:00:56 AM »

Agree Mond, it is very reactionary. But I do believe in both games he got it wrong.

My problem really isn't his start, it's his past. But I'm willing to give it a go. He just needs to pick it up.
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« Reply #1750 on: September 24, 2010, 11:15:51 AM »

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/early-doors/article/291736/

Am I just alone in thinking he's not the solution?
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« Reply #1751 on: September 24, 2010, 12:00:02 PM »

Interesting Opta Stat

Liverpool have had just 53 shots in first 5 games. Only Blackburn, Blackpool, Sunderland, Wolves fewer. Arsenal? 94
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« Reply #1752 on: September 24, 2010, 12:13:25 PM »

@ Kinboshi

Yes i've seen every Liverpool game this season both domestic and europe apart from Northampton.I agree it has been dire at times but still a bit early to write the season off imo.

I thought Hodgson was a good appointment at the time(even championed ye for a top 4 spot) but I have to admit there are signs that the job and club is too big/too much for him,it sounds strange to say that about a man with Inter Milan on his CV but football at the top level has changed a hell of a lot since the last time he was involved in it.To me he seems stressed and defensive in the media and tbh everytime I have seen him on the bench when things haven't been going well(particularly City and the first half in Trabzonspor) he has looked on the verge of a banger.

I agree with you that MON would not be the solution,much of a muchness imo.MON is vastly overrated,he is abrasive and argumentative even to his own players,he has terrible squad management(just look at Villa's record in the past 2-3 years for the months of March to May) basically because he can only seem to keep 14 players happy and then over-uses them until their legs are gone and then he is forced to call on players he has totally ignored for the past few months.

All this talk is kind of assuming Hodgson is already a lame duck though,which he very well may be if and when a takover happens.

You can't be serious that some Liverpool fans are calling for Maxi to be ahead of Kuyt? Kuyt should be the 5th name on the teamsheet everytime he is fit(after Gerrard,Torres,Carragher and Reina)

Btw I think Liverpool will get a good win against Sunderland and I fancy Torres to kick-start his season with a goal or two.
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« Reply #1753 on: September 24, 2010, 02:00:02 PM »

@ Kinboshi

Yes i've seen every Liverpool game this season both domestic and europe apart from Northampton.I agree it has been dire at times but still a bit early to write the season off imo.

Not writing the season off completely, but I can't see us winning anything and it'll take a dramatic improvement (which I'm hoping for) for us to get a top 4 finish.

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I thought Hodgson was a good appointment at the time(even championed ye for a top 4 spot) but I have to admit there are signs that the job and club is too big/too much for him,it sounds strange to say that about a man with Inter Milan on his CV but football at the top level has changed a hell of a lot since the last time he was involved in it.To me he seems stressed and defensive in the media and tbh everytime I have seen him on the bench when things haven't been going well(particularly City and the first half in Trabzonspor) he has looked on the verge of a banger.

I haven't lost hope in him yet - but you're right, his body language and comments sound like he's resigned to us underachieving.

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I agree with you that MON would not be the solution,much of a muchness imo.MON is vastly overrated,he is abrasive and argumentative even to his own players,he has terrible squad management(just look at Villa's record in the past 2-3 years for the months of March to May) basically because he can only seem to keep 14 players happy and then over-uses them until their legs are gone and then he is forced to call on players he has totally ignored for the past few months.

Agree 100% on that.  Lots of others will disagree vehemently though.

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All this talk is kind of assuming Hodgson is already a lame duck though,which he very well may be if and when a takover happens.

I still don't see him resigning/being sacked until after the season regardless.

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You can't be serious that some Liverpool fans are calling for Maxi to be ahead of Kuyt? Kuyt should be the 5th name on the teamsheet everytime he is fit(after Gerrard,Torres,Carragher and Reina)

Very serious.  Lots of Liverpool fans dislike him, because he doesn't do the fancy step-overs and stuff like that.  Lots want Maxi or even Babel to play on the right.  I think it's comical for anyone to think that, but there are many that do.

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Btw I think Liverpool will get a good win against Sunderland and I fancy Torres to kick-start his season with a goal or two.

Bloody well hope so!!
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« Reply #1754 on: September 24, 2010, 02:09:27 PM »

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/early-doors/article/291736/

Am I just alone in thinking he's not the solution?

Most Liverpool fans would agree with you but if Roy was to walk or be sacked it's the choice of the best of the available. Nothing will change until we get new owners and if we then get funds wih the new owners a lot more managers are back on the table.
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