Liverpool FC

[kinboshi]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

[kinboshi]

As Aaron has also said, Rafa took a poisoned chalice at Inter and it was never going to work out well.  Same for whoever takes over from Slur Alex at Old Trafford.

"Benitez has struggled for results with a squad plagued by injuries since replacing Jose Mourinho. The Spaniard said Inter had spent nothing to strengthen the squad this season after he had initially asked for three or four new players to ensure the team improved.

"After winning so much the competition among players will be positive," said Benitez. The Spaniard concluded there must be a reason for a squad with so many injuries so he ordered a scientific study. "It's clear that this team has all the risk factors," he said. "The first is age - there are 15 players over 30."

Players had not had sufficient rest after the World Cup in South Africa which brought more risk of injury, he added.

"The players were squeezed to the maximum," he said."

[MANTIS01]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

[kinboshi]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

[kinboshi]

David Dein for the CEO role at Liverpool?

[TightEnd]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

I think you are wrong

Villa were nowhere, he comes along and with some investment (but not MCFC, Chelsea levels) he gets them into top six

He wants more investment to get them top 4, Lerner says no. He leaves

Now they are bottom six, albeit minus Milner but the same team.

I think you underestimate his management skills massively


Think he would be terrific at a club like Liverpool given JWH and the owenership is now sorted, should they decide not to continue with Hodgson at some stage

[kinboshi]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

I think you are wrong

Villa were nowhere, he comes along and with some investment (but not MCFC, Chelsea levels) he gets them into top six

He wants more investment to get them top 4, Lerner says no. He leaves

Now they are bottom six, albeit minus Milner but the same team.

I think you underestimate his management skills massively


Think he would be terrific at a club like Liverpool given JWH and the owenership is now sorted, should they decide not to continue with Hodgson at some stage

I agree he'd get us top 6.  I don't see him being anything more than that though. 

[MANTIS01]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

When Redknapp took over Spurs were bottom of the table. That year they finished 8th and went to Wembley as League Cup finalists. In his first full campaign with the club Spurs had their most successful prem league season to date and finished 4th. They qualified for the CL for the first time and are now through to the knock-out stages after battering the current European champions at White Hart Lane and topping the group. Anybody would say Redknapp has been successful. But he hasn't won anything. So does that mean his appointment was wrong for Spurs? The right fit between club and manager doesn't rest on what's he won before as gg Rafa has just discovered.
 

[kinboshi]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

When Redknapp took over Spurs were bottom of the table. That year they finished 8th and went to Wembley as League Cup finalists. In his first full campaign with the club Spurs had their most successful prem league season to date and finished 4th. They qualified for the CL for the first time and are now through to the knock-out stages after battering the current European champions at White Hart Lane and topping the group. Anybody would say Redknapp has been successful. But he hasn't won anything. So does that mean his appointment was wrong for Spurs? The right fit between club and manager doesn't rest on what's he won before as gg Rafa has just discovered.
 

So the money that was available to spend at Spurs wasn't anything to do with their 'success'?

[MANTIS01]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

When Redknapp took over Spurs were bottom of the table. That year they finished 8th and went to Wembley as League Cup finalists. In his first full campaign with the club Spurs had their most successful prem league season to date and finished 4th. They qualified for the CL for the first time and are now through to the knock-out stages after battering the current European champions at White Hart Lane and topping the group. Anybody would say Redknapp has been successful. But he hasn't won anything. So does that mean his appointment was wrong for Spurs? The right fit between club and manager doesn't rest on what's he won before as gg Rafa has just discovered.
 

So the money that was available to spend at Spurs wasn't anything to do with their 'success'?

It think it had a lot to do with it. The money and the manager combined to produce the best performance in the prem for Spurs. But then again they are nowhere near challenging for the title. When you think that Spurs have spent many millions more than Liverpool over the last five years why are you looking for a manager with title winning credentials? Hence my point that Liverpool need a manager that can create a passionate team to offset the spending power of the top sides.

[The Baron]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

I dont understand - you're arguing for Benitez here? There was no evidence Rafa would be challenging for the title and making Champions League finals before he came to Liverpool?

And winnin the league does require a brilliant manager (as well as huge funding since 2004) - that I am sure of.

[The Baron]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

I think you are wrong

Villa were nowhere, he comes along and with some investment (but not MCFC, Chelsea levels) he gets them into top six

He wants more investment to get them top 4, Lerner says no. He leaves

Now they are bottom six, albeit minus Milner but the same team.

I think you underestimate his management skills massively


Think he would be terrific at a club like Liverpool given JWH and the owenership is now sorted, should they decide not to continue with Hodgson at some stage

Funnily enough Rich I think he'd be great under the new structure where he's not in sole control of transfers. I'd say the same about Rafa actually.

M'ON's biggest downfall has been (recently at least) his wayward spending.

[The Baron]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

When Redknapp took over Spurs were bottom of the table. That year they finished 8th and went to Wembley as League Cup finalists. In his first full campaign with the club Spurs had their most successful prem league season to date and finished 4th. They qualified for the CL for the first time and are now through to the knock-out stages after battering the current European champions at White Hart Lane and topping the group. Anybody would say Redknapp has been successful. But he hasn't won anything. So does that mean his appointment was wrong for Spurs? The right fit between club and manager doesn't rest on what's he won before as gg Rafa has just discovered.
 

If you applied this very correct logic to Rafa's time at Liverpool you'd find it'd be very hard to argue that he wasn't largely successful there.

[The Baron]

Benitez comes across as such a egotistical doucshe. Just get on with the job!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/9302348.stm

I can just see Benitez waddling into Inter with his my way or the highway attitude and ruffling feathers from the off. Especially after Mourinho. No surprise the guy says he needs like 5 players (prob Spanish ones) to strengthen the treble winners.

I get that you don't rate him - but why such a hater? (Although tbf the waddling is about the most factual thing you have said on this thread)

Nah, he's ok. Abrasive and manipulative and doomed to failure after Mouriho love, but ok. I'm not really a Hodgson fan either but think the guy deserves a proper chance in the job. MON is clearly the answer. For Liverpool to make an impression over the next decade I think they need to build a passionate team of players that offsets the spending power of the top top sides. I have no doubt Hodgson can do that. But MON could do it better.

Again, where is the evidence that MON can create a side that will challenge for the Premiership and the CL?

In the current EPL that evidence would have to come from the boardroom. Anyway winning the league isn't some kind of mystery that only elite managers can solve. You win games. There was no evidence Redknapp would be challenging in the CL before he went to spurs.

With a massive backing he's not won anything, still don't understand your point.

When Redknapp took over Spurs were bottom of the table. That year they finished 8th and went to Wembley as League Cup finalists. In his first full campaign with the club Spurs had their most successful prem league season to date and finished 4th. They qualified for the CL for the first time and are now through to the knock-out stages after battering the current European champions at White Hart Lane and topping the group. Anybody would say Redknapp has been successful. But he hasn't won anything. So does that mean his appointment was wrong for Spurs? The right fit between club and manager doesn't rest on what's he won before as gg Rafa has just discovered.
 

So the money that was available to spend at Spurs wasn't anything to do with their 'success'?

It think it had a lot to do with it. The money and the manager combined to produce the best performance in the prem for Spurs. But then again they are nowhere near challenging for the title. When you think that Spurs have spent many millions more than Liverpool over the last five years why are you looking for a manager with title winning credentials? Hence my point that Liverpool need a manager that can create a passionate team to offset the spending power of the top sides.

It's a good theory but there is zero evidence that this approach will work since Abramovich/Mansour.

MO'N + £100m (which is now debt on the club) got Villa to 6th.

[kinboshi]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rorysmith/100014630/rafa-benitez-may-not-have-conquered-but-he-continues-to-divide/

Interesting article about Rafa.