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« Reply #4725 on: December 21, 2011, 09:14:30 PM »

I'd bring Carroll and Jonjo on. Maybe Bellamy.
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« Reply #4726 on: December 21, 2011, 09:16:53 PM »

More extreme example. Lee hughes ran over the and killed someone. Law states he is innocent until proven guilty. His team mates have lee hughes's shirts on a Saturday in support of Lee. Would this be appropriate?

Didn't Fergie and Utd support Cantona after violently assaulting that fan? Could be wrong but thought they did.
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« Reply #4727 on: December 21, 2011, 09:16:57 PM »

As I understand they could lodge an appeal today which obv wont be heard until after the report has arrived. If they are deffo going to appeal anyway then snap lodging that appeal pre-report is a great way to show solidarity imo.


Think the lawyers are more interested in winning than showing solidarity, maybe?
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« Reply #4728 on: December 21, 2011, 09:27:59 PM »

Think Liverpool's lawyers should have more confidence considering everyone at the club knows for sure he's innocent and the only evidence is proven bullshitter Evra's say so.
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« Reply #4729 on: December 21, 2011, 09:33:11 PM »

Think Liverpool's lawyers should have more confidence considering everyone at the club knows for sure he's innocent and the only evidence is proven bullshitter Evra's say so.


Think maybe there are procedures?
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« Reply #4730 on: December 21, 2011, 09:34:06 PM »

Jonjo and Bellamy on. Would have taken Adam off instead of Kuyt, but what do I know?
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« Reply #4731 on: December 21, 2011, 09:36:49 PM »

Jonjo and Bellamy on. Would have taken Adam off instead of Kuyt, but what do I know?


Agree. Adam has been quiet IMO.
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« Reply #4732 on: December 21, 2011, 09:39:06 PM »

He looks exhausted, whereas Kuyt was still his usual duracell bunny self.
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« Reply #4733 on: December 21, 2011, 09:51:53 PM »

Think Liverpool's lawyers should have more confidence considering everyone at the club knows for sure he's innocent and the only evidence is proven bullshitter Evra's say so.


Think maybe there are procedures?

Yeah, just swotted up on the procedures as confess wasn't sure. He can't appeal the verdict only the sanction. Thus if Liverpool appeal they can only get the sanction reduced and not the charge lifted. Thus Suarez is guilty of making a racist remark and that will not change. Hence George's point that perhaps it's not appropriate for team mates to show solidarity for team mate deffo found guilty of a racist remark is valid imo. Evidence must have been compelling.
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« Reply #4734 on: December 21, 2011, 09:56:14 PM »

Let's see what evidence the 'independent' thought was so compelling first yeah?
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« Reply #4735 on: December 21, 2011, 10:03:19 PM »

Disappointing 0-0 draw. Lots of huff and puff, but lack of guile and incisiveness in front of goal.

Wigan good for their point, but game should have been beyond them.
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« Reply #4736 on: December 21, 2011, 10:22:44 PM »

Let's see what evidence the 'independent' thought was so compelling first yeah?

ok fair enough, can't imagine either of us will have a more qualified opinion than Paul Goulding QC but will be interesting to read.
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« Reply #4737 on: December 22, 2011, 03:09:46 AM »

Id be interested to hear if any of the Man Utd fans ITT feel about Evra if/when any charges are brought against him in all this. Do they not feel his has played his own hand in this and isnt just the victim that he has made himself out to be.
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« Reply #4738 on: December 22, 2011, 07:38:24 AM »

Id be interested to hear if any of the Man Utd fans ITT feel about Evra if/when any charges are brought against him in all this. Do they not feel his has played his own hand in this and isnt just the victim that he has made himself out to be.


That last paragraph of the LFC statement is frankly laughable. Shame really the whole thing sets off really well and then meanders into 'nobody likes us' and 'that's so unfair' and finishes with that.

Calling someone South American/English/Scouse/Manc/Romany isn't in itself an offence. These terms are only an aggravating factor where an offence has already been committed. If I call you French  for instance then no offence has been caused (or committed), but if I call you French and make reference to Cheese eating Surrender Monkeys ...
But some terms are instantly offensive - N***er for instance; P**ey; C**n and many many others

Acceping as fact that an offensive word was usedby Suarez, and accepting that whatever the intent on Suarez' part, it was a racist expression. The FA Statement confirms that the suspension is being applied for breach of FA Rule E3(1) which includes the use of insulting words and specifically the use of racist words

 http://www.thefa.com/thefa/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Rules_Regs/FA_Handbook_2010-11-v1.ashx/FA_Handbook_2010-11-v1.pdf         pp394/395

On the face of it the punishment is rdiculous btw - minimum suspension is set at 35 days and even that feels harsh for this offence.


As for Evra
 - right to report it, because it happened and it shouldn't. If it's not reported then how does it stop?
 - could have handled it better
 - right to say to the Independent Regulatory Commission  that he accepts that Suarez isn't a racist

None of us who have never experienced racist abuse/treatment can realistically claim to know how Evra should react here.
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« Reply #4739 on: December 22, 2011, 07:44:15 AM »

Let's see what evidence the 'independent' thought was so compelling first yeah?

Why the ''s?

Do you doubt the inedependence of the Independent Regulatory Commission? If so, on what grounds?
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