Outplayed or badly played?

[snoopy1239]

I felt stupid at the end of this hand.

Did I play it badly or was I just outplayed?

How would you have played it?

Any thoughts at all on this will be greatly appreciated. 




***** Hand History for Game 2861123566 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 11, 15:05:04 EDT 2005
Table Table  64893 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: blueboy2323 ( $88 )
Seat 2: elcheapo23 ( $215.40 )
Seat 5: JPOMAHA ( $196 )
Seat 6: bleeeeeh ( $260.15 )
Seat 7: playa1978 ( $159.70 )
Seat 8: GustoKing ( $334.35 )
Seat 9: IMGRUMPA ( $152 )
Seat 10: joggeDK ( $76.11 )
Seat 3: snoopy1239 ( $200 )
Seat 4: Inn0cent ( $200 )
bleeeeeh posts small blind [$1].
playa1978 posts big blind [$2].
snoopy1239 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to snoopy1239 [  Ah ]
GustoKing folds.
IMGRUMPA folds.
joggeDK folds.
blueboy2323 folds.
elcheapo23 folds.
snoopy1239 raises [$5].
JPOMAHA folds.
bleeeeeh folds.
playa1978 calls [$5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
playa1978 checks.
snoopy1239 bets [$8].
playa1978 raises [$16].
snoopy1239 calls [$8].
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
playa1978 bets [$15].
snoopy1239 raises [$50].
playa1978 calls [$35].
** Dealing River ** [ ]
playa1978 checks.
snoopy1239 bets [$30].
playa1978 raises [$75].
snoopy1239 calls [$45].
playa1978 shows [ , ] a full house, Sevens full of threes.
snoopy1239 doesn't show [ Ah, ] two pairs, aces and sevens.
playa1978 wins $294 from  the main pot  with a full house, Sevens full of threes.

[Royal Flush]

i think you can fold when he raises the river.

[Ironside]

no way you can fold when he raises river $45 call with £244 in pot i think checking the river would have been cheaper

[snoopy1239]

True, but I was sure I was ahead and thought I was making a value bet.

How many players would check a full house on the river?

[Royal Flush]

Snoopy was value betting the river, the small raise on the end is crying for a calll.

[Ironside]

True, but I was sure I was ahead and thought I was making a value bet.

How many players would check a full house on the river?

if i am up against someone who has benn bet calling every street i will check a boat on the river about 75% of time

[NoflopsHomer]

I'd reraise on the flop, I think it's easier to make a fold if he comes back over the top.

[snoopy1239]

I really didn't put him on a 7.

(i) he called my preflop raise.
(ii) he check the river
(iii) he reraised preflop and then checked the turn. I tend to find that if they are sneaky enough to trapcheck the turn with this hand, they'll flatcall my raise on the flop.
(iv) the devil on my shoulder told me he didn't have one
(v) I'm a muppet.

[jezza777]

ok my view snoop, the flop is  rainbow with no straight draw, he has come in from the bb for cheap (you should have raised more though i apprecite you want a caller) he raises you on the flop when you bet $8 (the pot was $11?) . What you need to do here is to definately find out where you are so i think a reraise would be in order, not a minimum one but around $30 if he comes over the top its an easy pass. Once he has raised your flop bet the alarms start going off, the board doesnt suit a drawing hand so you have to narrow his range down to pocket pairs a 7 or a q. Reraising the turn does you no favours you should only call here and then re evaluate on the river.

So a little unlucky but no need to do that much dough on the hand IMHO.

Anyhow I'm a cash game fish! Ask me some tourney questions!!

[Nem]

no way you can fold when he raises river $45 call with £244 in pot i think checking the river would have been cheaper

I agree.

[Karabiner]

How much is 1511 x 50p ?

 

[Longy]

Um tricky one this and the immediate reaction on this pot is that they " can't have a 7 in a raised pot" but they so often do. I would have played the hand differently:

1) Bigger raise pf i would have made it 8 to go, does the bb really call for 6 more here (probably not).

2) On the flop i make a similar bet to you bet when the min raise comes, i come back over the top to about 35 i think. That lets me know where i am if he calls or comes over the top i go into check/fold mode. If he hasn't got the 7 well thats poker but i think long term this play is a winning (loss limiting) play.

[snoopy1239]

Um tricky one this and the immediate reaction on this pot is that they " can't have a 7 in a raised pot" but they so often do. I would have played the hand differently:

1) Bigger raise pf i would have made it 8 to go, does the bb really call for 6 more here (probably not).

2) On the flop i make a similar bet to you bet when the min raise comes, i come back over the top to about 35 i think. That lets me know where i am if he calls or comes over the top i go into check/fold mode. If he hasn't got the 7 well thats poker but i think long term this play is a winning (loss limiting) play.

If he's willing to check the turn, then won't he just flatcall the reraise on the flop leaving me none the wiser?

(This is just a querie, you're probably right.  )

[The Baron]

I think the turn is the key here. When your reraise is called you have to put him on a 7 here, whether it be A7, 77, 78 suited whatever. (Or a set) When he checks the river I would check behind.

This hand is exactly why I think aces are overrated in cash games and the pre flop call from your opponent is something I would also do vs a tight player. You hit the flop right, you break them.

[snoopy1239]

I think I should have just flatcalled the turn and waited to see how he played the river. The bet on the turn wasn't particularly expensive, so a flatcall wouldn't do too much damage.

Also, with the pair on board, I don't have to worry about him hitting his 2nd pair if he does have the queen.


I actually put him on QJ and thought I was extracting more money off him. Bit foolish to make that assumption. I'd convinced myself that he didn't have the 7 though as most opponents I come across don't play trips like that. Mistake on my part.