Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[bobby1]

Our due date is Feb 9th and Connor is now 28 months old and learning so much every day.You won't find this in the 'good parenting handbook' but I have had to teach him to say 'what a wally' yesterday as I was watching a horse I had a decent bet on get beat a short head and muttered a little too loudly' what a w***' as the jockey made up 8 lengths after the last fence.  

Connor turned around and said' Yes daddy, what a w***' so 'what a wally' seemed the safer option.

My bad.

28 months? Never! Are you sure?

Connor Quayle - I like that. He'll grow up to be famous.

Many famous or iconic people are given a name that is "just so". Stirling Moss, Lester Piggott, Wayne Rooney, Bjorn Borg, John Surtees.

Connor Quayle will be famous.

Its actually Connor Harrington Quayle.........I had a very profitable British Open when Padraig won a few weeks before Connor was born ;o)


I am dreaming of him being a left handed golfer, he loves to sit and watch it with me shouting'he's missed again daddy' or throwing is arms in the air shouting'yessss when a putt drops.

[Dingdell]

I don't see this as anything about being a recreational player or caring about the money. It is about playing the game straight up and not soft playing people who you consider to be your "friends".

I believe it is against the spirit and probably the rules (if we had a decent set of rules) of the game and is a pretty poor example for less experienced players. Live poker is already full of this kind of bs, without the decent upstanding members of the community engaging in it.

If you did this on an online site you would probably be banned or at least given a warning and correctly so imo.

This isn't meant to be a contentious question but  1) have you any friends>
2)Do you ever play in a home game?

If so - and I think the situation Tikay was referring to was as close to a home game as it could be outside the home - then I think what he did was fine and I would be surprised if there wasn't some element of that at any friendly home game.

If you play 100% aggressive poker with your mates good luck to you but I can't fault Tikay for playing softer with his mates. His money, his choice, heads up, he's ahead on the night. GL to him.

You'll never see a happier bunch of guys when Tikay is at the table, and thats got to be good for the game imo.

[tikay]

I don't see this as anything about being a recreational player or caring about the money. It is about playing the game straight up and not soft playing people who you consider to be your "friends".

I believe it is against the spirit and probably the rules (if we had a decent set of rules) of the game and is a pretty poor example for less experienced players. Live poker is already full of this kind of bs, without the decent upstanding members of the community engaging in it.

If you did this on an online site you would probably be banned or at least given a warning and correctly so imo.

Goodness me!

Again, it was not Online, & the room was deserted - it was like a Home Game. I would not do it Online, & you know I would not. I would not do it in "open" play, & you know I would not. But you know plenty who do. Those who collude for gain, or cheat, don't exactly diary it, so far as I'm aware.

As to what you describe as "decent upstanding members of the community", I don't know to whom you are referring, but there is a grand cocktail of good & bad out there, but I don't see any of them taking a lead from how I behave. I would say more's the pity, others might say the opposite. We are all entitled to our own take on it, including you.

At the end of a 12 hour Cash-Game with good friends, when I'd almost cleaned out the entire Table (by sheer luck, I hasten to add), it's fine by me to say "enough is enough". It's clearly not within the letter of the Rules. I don't really know what "the spirit" is in poker these days.

I respect your stance, of course. I don't agree with it, but I respect it.

[tikay]

I don't see this as anything about being a recreational player or caring about the money. It is about playing the game straight up and not soft playing people who you consider to be your "friends".

I believe it is against the spirit and probably the rules (if we had a decent set of rules) of the game and is a pretty poor example for less experienced players. Live poker is already full of this kind of bs, without the decent upstanding members of the community engaging in it.

If you did this on an online site you would probably be banned or at least given a warning and correctly so imo.

This isn't meant to be a contentious question but  1) have you any friends>
2)Do you ever play in a home game?

If so - and I think the situation Tikay was referring to was as close to a home game as it could be outside the home - then I think what he did was fine and I would be surprised if there wasn't some element of that at any friendly home game.

If you play 100% aggressive poker with your mates good luck to you but I can't fault Tikay for playing softer with his mates. His money, his choice, heads up, he's ahead on the night. GL to him.

You'll never see a happier bunch of guys when Tikay is at the table, and thats got to be good for the game imo.

Yup - they can smell easy money on offer!

[tikay]

Our due date is Feb 9th and Connor is now 28 months old and learning so much every day.You won't find this in the 'good parenting handbook' but I have had to teach him to say 'what a wally' yesterday as I was watching a horse I had a decent bet on get beat a short head and muttered a little too loudly' what a w***' as the jockey made up 8 lengths after the last fence.  

Connor turned around and said' Yes daddy, what a w***' so 'what a wally' seemed the safer option.

My bad.

28 months? Never! Are you sure?

Connor Quayle - I like that. He'll grow up to be famous.

Many famous or iconic people are given a name that is "just so". Stirling Moss, Lester Piggott, Wayne Rooney, Bjorn Borg, John Surtees.

Connor Quayle will be famous.

Its actually Connor Harrington Quayle.........I had a very profitable British Open when Padraig won a few weeks before Connor was born ;o)


I am dreaming of him being a left handed golfer, he loves to sit and watch it with me shouting'he's missed again daddy' or throwing is arms in the air shouting'yessss when a putt drops.

Yes, yes - perfect name for a Golfer. Arnie, Gary Player, Connor Quayle - see, it has that ring to it! I would add Tiger to the list, but that'd be bad timing right now.

[bobby1]

Lol, I had just got him to say 'my favourite golfer is Tiger Woods' too.

[GreekStein]

Gotta say I'm actually with Tikay on this one Longy.

[tikay]

Gotta say I'm actually with Tikay on this one Longy.

Nooooooooooooooooo!

Swim against the tide?

Very uncool that, you know.

[tikay]

Lol, I had just got him to say 'my favourite golfer is Tiger Woods' too.

I've not got involved in the Tiger stories, not Posted  word, but what a thing! One of the most extraordinary & unexpected "sports" stories ever.

I'm not gonna get involved in the morality of it, either. But watching Tiger on Day 4 of a Major is one of THE great thrills in sport, & I hope it all sorts itself out in time.

I was at St Andrews for the Centenary Open, when Woods done something I would not believe possible - 4 rounds of St Andrews without once getting in a bunker, or "trap" as the Yanks would say. Only if you have played St Andrews does the enormity of that hit home. Every bunker is perfectly placed. Trust me, I know, I've been in every bloody one.

[tikay]

Spacefrog is reading my Diary!

Happy New Year Froggy boy.

[celtic]

The DC game that Tikay is talking about wasn't really a DC game. It was three handed, Tikay, Me & one other. I won't mention him because it's unfair but he is one of the nicest blokes in Luton if that counts for anything in this story and Tikay, as far as i could work out had already taken a fair bit of money from him earlier in the evening. I sat down with absolute minimum to try and learn the games which were mainly omaha & omaha hi/lo. I had asked if we could just have a friendly game that they both agreed to, which was pretty decent of the other guy considering he was in a hole on the evening. There was very little raising pre-flop and the occasional straddle but other than that it was played in good spirit, with no bluffing or trying to knock me off pots. I don't really see why all the fuss about Tikay saying, on what was probably one of the last hands of the night to a guy who had done his conkers and was happy to go easy on a newbie to the game to not put anymore money in a pot as he was behind. Just my thoughts.

[Micko]

I don't see this as anything about being a recreational player or caring about the money. It is about playing the game straight up and not soft playing people who you consider to be your "friends".

I believe it is against the spirit and probably the rules (if we had a decent set of rules) of the game and is a pretty poor example for less experienced players. Live poker is already full of this kind of bs, without the decent upstanding members of the community engaging in it.

If you did this on an online site you would probably be banned or at least given a warning and correctly so imo.

Goodness me!

Again, it was not Online, & the room was deserted - it was like a Home Game. I would not do it Online, & you know I would not. I would not do it in "open" play, & you know I would not. But you know plenty who do. Those who collude for gain, or cheat, don't exactly diary it, so far as I'm aware.

As to what you describe as "decent upstanding members of the community", I don't know to whom you are referring, but there is a grand cocktail of good & bad out there, but I don't see any of them taking a lead from how I behave. I would say more's the pity, others might say the opposite. We are all entitled to our own take on it, including you.

At the end of a 12 hour Cash-Game with good friends, when I'd almost cleaned out the entire Table (by sheer luck, I hasten to add), it's fine by me to say "enough is enough". It's clearly not within the letter of the Rules. I don't really know what "the spirit" is in poker these days.

I respect your stance, of course. I don't agree with it, but I respect it.

Tikay i totally agree with you i play in a live cash game two or three times a week and its always the same faces a good friend of mine plays in the game too and i have seen me let him off lightly in big pots when hes having a bad night and im winning.

I can understand the comments about soft playing but in my eyes its just being decent when a friend is having a bad night.

[bobby1]

Lol, I had just got him to say 'my favourite golfer is Tiger Woods' too.

I've not got involved in the Tiger stories, not Posted  word, but what a thing! One of the most extraordinary & unexpected "sports" stories ever.

I'm not gonna get involved in the morality of it, either. But watching Tiger on Day 4 of a Major is one of THE great thrills in sport, & I hope it all sorts itself out in time.

I was at St Andrews for the Centenary Open, when Woods done something I would not believe possible - 4 rounds of St Andrews without once getting in a bunker, or "trap" as the Yanks would say. Only if you have played St Andrews does the enormity of that hit home. Every bunker is perfectly placed. Trust me, I know, I've been in every bloody one.

It is a terrible shame really. The guy is still my sporting hero but now not my allround hero. My feeling is he will do some 'coming clean' round of interviews that will be carefully constucted to regain a little credibility/make his actions seem out of character (probably the death of his dad or some addiction to sex).


If he does make it back to the course in time to get his game in shape this is a year where he could easily go close to winning the Grand Slam.

The Masters course has now been tricked up to make it very hard to make birdies, there are about 6 proper birdie holes on the track now and the last handful of Masters have been won by players near the top of the leaderboard after day one because it isnt a chasing from behind course anymore. They softened it a little last year and got a grandstand finish so he could easily win there again.

The US Open is at Pebble Beach which can be a bit of a lottery if the wind gets up but he won by about 15 there one year so its almost the perfect course for him if it stays calm.

The Open is at St Andrews where he has won the last two Opens held there, again its almost the perfect Open course for him.

The PGA Championship is at Whistling Straits which can be both brutal and playable depending on how they decide to set it up and the wind off Lake Michigan can play havoc there.Tho it wouldnt be a huge price he gets there trying for the same season Grand Slam if he can get back to the level he has played at before all this fuss kicked up.

That would be a brilliant and fitting comeback from where he is now.

[Longy]

This isn't meant to be a contentious question but  1) have you any friends>
2)Do you ever play in a home game?

If so - and I think the situation Tikay was referring to was as close to a home game as it could be outside the home - then I think what he did was fine and I would be surprised if there wasn't some element of that at any friendly home game.

If you play 100% aggressive poker with your mates good luck to you but I can't fault Tikay for playing softer with his mates. His money, his choice, heads up, he's ahead on the night. GL to him.

You'll never see a happier bunch of guys when Tikay is at the table, and thats got to be good for the game imo.

Lol I am not sure why I am answering those questions but I will

1) I can confirm that I do have friends, thanks for your concern.

2) I have played in home games in the past, yes.

This isn't a home game and while it may feel like a home game it isn't by any definition of the word actually a home game, I believe the casino are charging a table fee and therefore the game is played on the casino rules.

I do play the same against people who I consider to be my friends, people I like or dislike. This is how I believe the game should be played obviously you and others disagree with that fair enough.

[tikay]

The DC game that Tikay is talking about wasn't really a DC game. It was three handed, Tikay, Me & one other. I won't mention him because it's unfair but he is one of the nicest blokes in Luton if that counts for anything in this story and Tikay, as far as i could work out had already taken a fair bit of money from him earlier in the evening. I sat down with absolute minimum to try and learn the games which were mainly omaha & omaha hi/lo. I had asked if we could just have a friendly game that they both agreed to, which was pretty decent of the other guy considering he was in a hole on the evening. There was very little raising pre-flop and the occasional straddle but other than that it was played in good spirit, with no bluffing or trying to knock me off pots. I don't really see why all the fuss about Tikay saying, on what was probably one of the last hands of the night to a guy who had done his conkers and was happy to go easy on a newbie to the game to not put anymore money in a pot as he was behind. Just my thoughts.

Being as you have Posted that, let's expand a little, for those who think it's all a bit sordid, & who want to find some bad in it.

The game was about to break at about 2am, I had cleaned most out, & I was pretty tired by now. 4 of us were left, "let's call it a night" one said.

I was very tired, so was ready to agree. The "nice bloke" & he was not just "nice", but a proper man, who plays with his own money, & loses with dignity, said "well I would rather stay on if Tony will, as I'm in a big hole. Do you mind staying, Tony". And he was in a hole. (And we've known each other that long he calls me "Tony".)

So I agreed, & we got a private Dealer, & 3 or 4 of us played on. All my money was still on the Table, about £2k worth.

Players # 3 & 4 dropped out, we were getting up to go, & then Vinny came & sat down. "You guys mind if I sit in, I want to learn DC?" he says. He had about £600 in a chip-tray, from the NLH cash-game, but said "only £300 is in play". We were fine with that. He then proceeded to win pretty much every hand he played!

We were just killing time really, it was 6.30am now, the place was deserted apart from we three + Golden Shower, the Dealer.

And that's when I committed the henious act of talking my man off calling for his last £250 when he was drawing dead.

Vinny, (Celtic) by the way understood exactly the "spirit" of that particular table. It's 10 mins to DTD & 90 miles to Luton, but I play in Luton a lot, because I have many friends there from the "old days".