Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[tikay]

You say you move freely between tables, so if you move from a £1 £2 game to another £1 £2 game, do you take your stack with you?

ie you sit at one table and get up to £800, do you then sit with £800 at the next table?

No, you sit with the max buy in for that table, I spoke to Simon about it, and he said they would apply a "Common sense" rule to it. i.e. if someone is obviously taking the piss, they will get a pull.

That was not my understanding Tom, but I mainly play DC there, and as I've inadvertently caused problems in the past with moving Cash Tables, I always get "clearance" now, & move my entire stack with me. There is no maximum sit-down in DC.

[RED-DOG]

You say you move freely between tables, so if you move from a £1 £2 game to another £1 £2 game, do you take your stack with you?

ie you sit at one table and get up to £800, do you then sit with £800 at the next table?

No, you sit with the max buy in for that table, I spoke to Simon about it, and he said they would apply a "Common sense" rule to it. i.e. if someone is obviously taking the piss, they will get a pull.

Hmmmm, common sense rule?

I don't see how this would work. If someone sits at a table with £200 - turns this into £800, then leaves for another table (at the same stakes) and sits with £200 again - what "common sense" approach can there be? It is just plain weeding from the table.

Tom, describe a situation that this can happen and NOT be "taking the piss" as you put it?

TK, I asked because as Tom has said, you would have to sit with the maximum, but I assume in the DC games there is no max buy in

With respect Paul, I don't have to explain it. It's not my rule, but I'm happy with it. I don't care if I move my winnings (assuming there are any) to the new table, or if I start with the table limit. but I would object to not being allowed to move.

I'm not usually a cash game player, but it's different at dtd. Great atmo, and you can choose your game, your level, and your company. Just like online. (and we all know how successful that is)

[kinboshi]

2 hands later - the third hand of the Tourney, Pete L Raises, there's a RR behind, Red moves all-in with the Aces, Pete somehow let go, after the customary acting, (his game must have improved, I've never seen him Pass before) & Red found a customer with Kings - a no-brainer play.

Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise all-in.

'No-brainer' call with KK?

Just wondering what range Tom could have here.

[RED-DOG]

2 hands later - the third hand of the Tourney, Pete L Raises, there's a RR behind, Red moves all-in with the Aces, Pete somehow let go, after the customary acting, (his game must have improved, I've never seen him Pass before) & Red found a customer with Kings - a no-brainer play.

Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise all-in.

'No-brainer' call with KK?

Just wondering what range Tom could have here.

I could have been 'at it' 

Seriously though, had I been him, I would have suspected AA, but I still push with my cowboys.

[kinboshi]

2 hands later - the third hand of the Tourney, Pete L Raises, there's a RR behind, Red moves all-in with the Aces, Pete somehow let go, after the customary acting, (his game must have improved, I've never seen him Pass before) & Red found a customer with Kings - a no-brainer play.

Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise all-in.

'No-brainer' call with KK?

Just wondering what range Tom could have here.

I could have been 'at it' 

Seriously though, had I been him, I would have suspected AA, but I still push with my cowboys.

You're not pushing though - you'd be calling all-in, suspecting (if not knowing) that you're a huge underdog.

[RED-DOG]

2 hands later - the third hand of the Tourney, Pete L Raises, there's a RR behind, Red moves all-in with the Aces, Pete somehow let go, after the customary acting, (his game must have improved, I've never seen him Pass before) & Red found a customer with Kings - a no-brainer play.

Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise all-in.

'No-brainer' call with KK?

Just wondering what range Tom could have here.

I could have been 'at it' 

Seriously though, had I been him, I would have suspected AA, but I still push with my cowboys.

You're not pushing though - you'd be calling all-in, suspecting (if not knowing) that you're a huge underdog.

Yes, I'm calling all in. The last time I did it, I was up against A6.

[kinboshi]

2 hands later - the third hand of the Tourney, Pete L Raises, there's a RR behind, Red moves all-in with the Aces, Pete somehow let go, after the customary acting, (his game must have improved, I've never seen him Pass before) & Red found a customer with Kings - a no-brainer play.

Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise all-in.

'No-brainer' call with KK?

Just wondering what range Tom could have here.

I could have been 'at it' 

Seriously though, had I been him, I would have suspected AA, but I still push with my cowboys.

You're not pushing though - you'd be calling all-in, suspecting (if not knowing) that you're a huge underdog.

Yes, I'm calling all in. The last time I did it, I was up against A6.

Wasn't against you though was it, re-re-raising all-in on the third hand.

[RED-DOG]

2 hands later - the third hand of the Tourney, Pete L Raises, there's a RR behind, Red moves all-in with the Aces, Pete somehow let go, after the customary acting, (his game must have improved, I've never seen him Pass before) & Red found a customer with Kings - a no-brainer play.

Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise all-in.

'No-brainer' call with KK?

Just wondering what range Tom could have here.

I could have been 'at it' 

Seriously though, had I been him, I would have suspected AA, but I still push with my cowboys.

You're not pushing though - you'd be calling all-in, suspecting (if not knowing) that you're a huge underdog.

Yes, I'm calling all in. The last time I did it, I was up against A6.

Wasn't against you though was it, re-re-raising all-in on the third hand.

I'm putting all my chips in with KK pre flop, END OF.

[Tractor]

2 hands later - the third hand of the Tourney, Pete L Raises, there's a RR behind, Red moves all-in with the Aces, Pete somehow let go, after the customary acting, (his game must have improved, I've never seen him Pass before) & Red found a customer with Kings - a no-brainer play.

Raise, re-raise, re-re-raise all-in.

'No-brainer' call with KK?

Just wondering what range Tom could have here.

I could have been 'at it' 

Seriously though, had I been him, I would have suspected AA, but I still push with my cowboys.

You're not pushing though - you'd be calling all-in, suspecting (if not knowing) that you're a huge underdog.

Yes, I'm calling all in. The last time I did it, I was up against A6.

Wasn't against you though was it, re-re-raising all-in on the third hand.

*tom waits in anticipation to play on same table as Kin*

[kinboshi]

Tom has...

[RED-DOG]

Tom has...

I was against someone who put all his chips in with 88 v my AA......

[kinboshi]

Tom has...

I was against someone who put all his chips in with 88 v my AA......

I would have folded KK though...

[Dingdell]

if people want to deal everyone has to agree
if people want a deal it has to be done to the formula

that way people dont feel harrased into making an unfair deal

Yes, that's the idea of it. The harassment in deal-making is horrendous at times, & leads to so much ill-feeling. Which is why I almost always "sit out" in these things.

I never know what to do in these circumstances - invariably I have to ask someone for guidance. I'm not sure if it's the heat of the game but I can't see the wood for the trees in these situations. Did a chop at Luton a few weeks ago between the last 4 and wasn't sure if it was a good deal - went to ask Tikay who, in unison with everyone else at the cash table, told me it was a great deal and to get back there before they changed their minds.

Does anyone have a guide as to when/what to do - I know it's got a million variables - but any basic ideas?

How do you work it out?

[M3boy]

You say you move freely between tables, so if you move from a £1 £2 game to another £1 £2 game, do you take your stack with you?

ie you sit at one table and get up to £800, do you then sit with £800 at the next table?

No, you sit with the max buy in for that table, I spoke to Simon about it, and he said they would apply a "Common sense" rule to it. i.e. if someone is obviously taking the piss, they will get a pull.

Hmmmm, common sense rule?

I don't see how this would work. If someone sits at a table with £200 - turns this into £800, then leaves for another table (at the same stakes) and sits with £200 again - what "common sense" approach can there be? It is just plain weeding from the table.

Tom, describe a situation that this can happen and NOT be "taking the piss" as you put it?

TK, I asked because as Tom has said, you would have to sit with the maximum, but I assume in the DC games there is no max buy in

With respect Paul, I don't have to explain it. It's not my rule, but I'm happy with it. I don't care if I move my winnings (assuming there are any) to the new table, or if I start with the table limit. but I would object to not being allowed to move.

I'm not usually a cash game player, but it's different at dtd. Great atmo, and you can choose your game, your level, and your company. Just like online. (and we all know how successful that is)

Tom, I didnt ask you to explain the rule.

I just fail to see the difference between leaving one table with more than the buy in and sitting at the same game on another table with a smaller amout :

a) someone who is "taking the piss"

b) you (or whoever) doing the same.

To me there is no difference

[77dave]

Im with you paul  I believe that if you move from one table to another you should always have to take your full stack with you.

If you double up at table 1 and an hour later get a transfer to table 2 but only sit down with your original stack.  30 mins later the guy who you double through now moves to your table. He doesnt have the chance to win his money back from you.

In vegas if you transfer from table to table you always have to take your full stack with you.

At DTD i think there are a few problems that need sorting such as table transfer and a few rules in the dealers game but as they openly admit they are learning and adapting as they go.