Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[Tonji]

F1 is known for the giants in motorsport, Ferrari, McLaren etc

But I always had a fondnest for the smaller constructors.

A few of the minor names in F1 history. Hesketh Racing, Larrousse, Leyton House, Pacific Racing, Simtek, Wolf Racing. Favourite was Arrows, if only because I was able to get free Paddock & Pit passes from them!

[bobAlike]

A friend of my dad knew both Nick Faldo and Ian Woosnam and he frequently told us they were tossers away from the game.

Yes but was it true? How accurate was his judgement, what was he basing it on?

I mean, lots of people say Tony is a tosser.  Oh wait...

Lol Tom. His main gripe was their arrogance which I imagine a lot of people in the limelight suffer from.

[TommyD]

Well if you're looking for a sporting genius who was a loathsome person you don't have to look much further than Ty Cobb.  First man into the Baseball Hall of Fame with more votes than even Babe Ruth, despite pretty much being hated by everyone who voted.  He used to sharpen his spikes for sliding into basemen and he learnt to bat left handed for a few feet's advantage in running to first base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

[MPOWER]

F1 is known for the giants in motorsport, Ferrari, McLaren etc

But I always had a fondnest for the smaller constructors.

A few of the minor names in F1 history. Hesketh Racing, Larrousse, Leyton House, Pacific Racing, Simtek, Wolf Racing. Favourite was Arrows, if only because I was able to get free Paddock & Pit passes from them!

These small teams some grew into the big teams of today.



Arrows were known as Footwork from 1991 to 1996.
BAR formerly Tyrrell; subsequently became Honda, then Brawn, then Mercedes GP.
Benetton formerly Toleman; subsequently became Renault F1.
Coloni later became Andrea Moda.
Frank Williams Racing Cars includes Politoys (1972), Iso Marlboro (1973-1974) and Wolf-Williams (1976) cars. Prior to 1972 FWRC ran customer chassis. Subsequently became Wolf. Williams Grand Prix Engineering, now WilliamsF1, was a new constructor established by Frank Williams and Patrick Head after Williams left Wolf-Williams.
Jaguar formerly Stewart Grand Prix. Subsequently became Red Bull Racing.
Jordan subsequently became Midland F1 Racing, then Spyker, then Force India.
Does not include Kurtis' Indianapolis 500 (1950-1960) entries.
Leyton House formerly March Engineering.
Ligier subsequently became Prost Grand Prix.
Lola includes Larrousse (1990) and Mastercard Lola (1997) entries.
March subsequenty became Leyton House Racing, later reappearing as March for one final season.
Midland formerly Jordan Grand Prix; subsequently became Spyker F1, then Force India.
Minardi subsequently became Scuderia Toro Rosso.
Osella subsequently became Fondmetal.
Prost formerly Ligier.
Sauber subsequently became BMW works team BMW Sauber, then reverted back to Sauber.
Spyker formerly Jordan Grand Prix and Midland F1 Racing; subsequently became Force India.
Stewart subsequently became Jaguar Racing.
Toleman subsequently became Benetton Formula.
Tyrrell subsequently became British American Racing.
Wolf formerly Frank Williams Racing Cars.

Regards

M

[bobby1]

Did you see 'The Sun' front page today Tony re Roy Hodgson?

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Did you see 'The Sun' front page today Tony re Roy Hodgson?

I will be very disappointed in him if he did unless it was from a distance.

[Marky147]

Well if you're looking for a sporting genius who was a loathsome person you don't have to look much further than Ty Cobb.  First man into the Baseball Hall of Fame with more votes than even Babe Ruth, despite pretty much being hated by everyone who voted.  He used to sharpen his spikes for sliding into basemen and he learnt to bat left handed for a few feet's advantage in running to first base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

Tommy Lee Jones did a good job playing him I thought

[tikay]

Did you see 'The Sun' front page today Tony re Roy Hodgson?

No, but let me guess - it lampooned him as a vegetable head?

Roy, by the bye, is a very well read & learned man, & I wish him success in his new job, but was there ever a more poisoned chalice than the England Managers job? One good result, "hero", one bad result, "turnip head".  And he'll be roundly mocked by those who have less knowledge of football in their entire body than Roy has in his pinky left toenail.

How is Skegvegas?

[bobby1]

'Woy gets England job, bwing on the Euwo's

'See you in ukwaine against Fwance'


They had the sheer cheek to throw in an explanation line that he is 'affectionately known as Woy'

Had many complaints to the press complaints an also the FA.

Skegvegas has been great thanks, plenty of kids things and stuff like walking the seafront and snookering.

[Doobs]

Did you see 'The Sun' front page today Tony re Roy Hodgson?

No, but let me guess - it lampooned him as a vegetable head?

Roy, by the bye, is a very well read & learned man, & I wish him success in his new job, but was there ever a more poisoned chalice than the England Managers job? One good result, "hero", one bad result, "turnip head".  And he'll be roundly mocked by those who have less knowledge of football in their entire body than Roy has in his pinky left toenail.

How is Skegvegas?

To be fair to the press old turnip head never did the one good result part.

[Delboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_European_Grand_Prix

The 'Race of the Decade'..

Senna was amazing in that race, I remember watching the first few laps and thinking 'He is just so much better than the rest, its not fair'

He won the race by over a minute. Took (and still holds) the lap record, which was, incidentally, set by going through the Pitlane.

[Doobs]

I think Colin Montgomerie is a really nice guy. Bit huffy on a golf course maybe but i don't mind that. Sam Torrance on the other hand is a right tosser.

Ashley Cole and John Terry seem to fit the bill here.

King would be Collymore though. How did a woman basher get a job in the media ?

Sandy

Sam Torrance used to play $2.50/$5 on betfair, never saw him be anything but pleasant at the tables, and I sat at the same table for many many hours..... He was very generous at the tables too. 

[TightEnd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_European_Grand_Prix

The 'Race of the Decade'..

Senna was amazing in that race, I remember watching the first few laps and thinking 'He is just so much better than the rest, its not fair'

He won the race by over a minute. Took (and still holds) the lap record, which was, incidentally, set by going through the Pitlane.

I was there

It was a cold wet-dry-wet race

On the first lap, Senna made up loads of places and Michael Andretti, who had come across as the next big thing from Indy Cars, slid into the gravel, unable to keep it on the track

Astounding skill from Senna to drive so fast when most others struggled to keep it straight

[MPOWER]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_European_Grand_Prix

The 'Race of the Decade'..

Senna was amazing in that race, I remember watching the first few laps and thinking 'He is just so much better than the rest, its not fair'

He won the race by over a minute. Took (and still holds) the lap record, which was, incidentally, set by going through the Pitlane.

I was there

It was a cold wet-dry-wet race

On the first lap, Senna made up loads of places and Michael Andretti, who had come across as the next big thing from Indy Cars, slid into the gravel, unable to keep it on the track

Astounding skill from Senna to drive so fast when most others struggled to keep it straight

I was there to

Standing on the grass at the old hair pin.

Regards

M

[Doobs]

Senna was an absolute master in the rain, as Tonytats & others suggest.

The memory plays tricks, but I always thought his best race was his in his first season in F1, in the Monaco GP. It was very wet, & he was catching the immensely dislikeable Frenchie, Alain Prost (we all disliked him because he was French, & good, of course),  hand over fist, 4 or 5 seconds per lap, but they stopped the race, & so begun much hoohah, as it was thought that fellow-Frenchie Balestre had a hand in the premature conclusion of the race, thus denying Senna such a glorious win.

It was rather unfair that we all disliked Prost, because there was no logic to that, but we just did.

Booo!

I remember that race well.  He was completely robbed.  

We hated Prost because he had no flair.  We loved Senna and Villeneuve because they had it in spades.  

If Prost was a poker player he would be Howard Lederer, Senna was more a Dave Shallow.  I think the Schumacher comparison was all wrong, Schumacher was nearer Prost than Senna in my eyes.  

I was a right motor racing anorak when I was a kid, I remember him racing as Ayrton Da Silva.  Funny how I don't remember the blood from his crash, probably down to a terrible TV rather than terrible memory I guess.  I don't suppose too many remember Roland Ratzenberger*?

Doobs

* From wikipedia

When track officials examined the wreckage of Senna's racing car, they found a furled Austrian flag. Senna had planned to raise it after the race, in honour of Ratzenberger

FIA President Max Mosley attended the funeral of Ratzenberger, despite the overwhelming attention on Senna's funeral, both in the world of motorsport and worldwide. In a press conference ten years later Mosley said, "'Roland had been forgotten. So I went to his funeral because everyone went to Senna's. I thought it was important that somebody went to his."