Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[gatso]

yeah, touch harsh on johnson.

how many times did christie fail drug tests? once at seoul after the johnson final and on at least one occasion since

[tikay]

from wiki

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But Johnson and hundreds of other athletes have long complained that they used doping in order to remain on an equal footing with the other top athletes on drugs they had to compete against.
His claim bears some weight in light of the revelations since 1988. Including Johnson, four of the top five finishers of the 100-meter race have all tested positive for banned drugs at some point in their careers: Carl Lewis[3], who was given the gold medal, Linford Christie who was moved up to the silver medal, and Dennis Mitchell. Of these, only Johnson was forced to give up his records and his medals


Tough to be a clean sprinter in the 80's when everybody else was on drugs

An interesting angle, & as I've never moved in that world, it's hard to say how I'd have handled that. To cheat just because evereyone else cheats does not sit easily with me - but never having been in that situation, I suppose I can't really judge.

But my point was simple really. When I saw an awesome athletic performance a few yeas back, I used to say "yes, yes, YES!". And now I say "yes, but I hope he/she's clean".

I suppose it's a moralistic, or age, thing. Or a cynical thing!

I knew a golfer once - 4 handicap, so pretty tidy. He turned up a a comp at Chilwell one day as  "ringer" & played off 14. Won the Event - usually a blanket-finish countback - by 7 - SEVEN - strokes!

Of course, we could all see he was never a 14 handicapper in a month of Sundays, & it came out on top. He got Banned from Chilwell, & all Nottinghamshire Golf Clubs. So he played in Debyshire, & Staffordsshire, instead, without an iota of shame. Me? I'd have shot myself, because of the sheer shame. These days, that shame does not exist.

The Prize for that Golf Comp? A pair of Golf Shoes. Instead, his entire golfing life was destroyed.

I just don't "get" win at all costs, but I suppose I lack that competitive spirit needed to be a winner at Sports. Oddly, I have that "must-win" philosophy in business, though I stay within the rules - moral & legal - to win.

[tikay]

yeah, touch harsh on johnson.

how many times did christie fail drug tests? once at seoul after the johnson final and on at least one occasion since

Why harsh? Was he caught cheating, or not? It's very simple. Add Christie, or anyone else who cheated, if you wish.

I'm afraid my mind is set on this, as it is on, say, using cocaine, weed, "illegal substances", whatever. I don't like it, & never will. I don't quite know why though.

[gatso]

yeah, touch harsh on johnson.

how many times did christie fail drug tests? once at seoul after the johnson final and on at least one occasion since

Why harsh? Was he caught cheating, or not? It's very simple. Add Christie, or anyone else who cheated, if you wish.

I'm afraid my mind is set on this, as it is on, say, using cocaine, weed, "illegal substances", whatever. I don't like it, & never will. I don't quite know why though.

harsh for him to be the one singled out as bringing shame to the sport when a very large % of his peers have since been proved to have been doing the same and many (Christie being the biggest example in this country) have been treated as heros. when you consider that Christies first failed test was at the same time as Johnson's I feel it is harsh to single one out as a disgrace and another as a hero

[tikay]

yeah, touch harsh on johnson.

how many times did christie fail drug tests? once at seoul after the johnson final and on at least one occasion since

Why harsh? Was he caught cheating, or not? It's very simple. Add Christie, or anyone else who cheated, if you wish.

I'm afraid my mind is set on this, as it is on, say, using cocaine, weed, "illegal substances", whatever. I don't like it, & never will. I don't quite know why though.

harsh for him to be the one singled out as bringing shame to the sport when a very large % of his peers have since been proved to have been doing the same and many (Christie being the biggest example in this country) have been treated as heros. when you consider that Christies first failed test was at the same time as Johnson's I feel it is harsh to single one out as a disgrace and another as a hero

I have never - never ever - singled out Christie as a hero.

I plucked out of the air - fom a huge available sample - two names, Johnson & Chambers, because those two were foremost in my mind. Christie was close behind, as it happens.

"All the drug cheats" then, is that better? Can you defend them all?

Johnson is no less guilty - at all - because others did the same. But he won the Olympic 100 metres, the "Blue Riband" (arguably), & happened, therefore, to be foremost in my mind.

Really, I'm sorry, but I can't find any room for sympathy for Johnson - (& all the other cheats !) - at all.

[Dingdell]

One of two aircraft involved in a mid-air crash which killed five people was a home-built plane, it has been claimed.

The British Microlight Aircraft Association said the small plane carrying one pilot which collided with a Cessna 402 in Brinklow, Warwickshire, was a kit plane.

The association posted a statement on its website to confirm that the light aircraft was not a microlight, as had been reported.

Geoff Weighell, Chief Executive of the BMAA, said: "It is being widely reported that the mid-air collision at Coventry on 17th August involved a microlight aircraft.

"Using the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority) UK Register I have confirmed that the aircraft was not a microlight. It was a two seat home-built light aircraft from the LAA (Light Aircraft Association) fleet.

"Irrespective of aircraft type I would like to offer the condolences of all the BMAA membership to the families and friends of the pilots and passengers of the two aircraft."

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) and Warwickshire police refused to comment on the type of light aircraft involved. The LAA was unavailable for comment.

The two planes collided in the sky above Coombe Abbey Country Park.

So far only the body of the light aircraft pilot has been recovered from the wreckage.

Specialist teams are continuing an operation to recover the bodies of the four people on board the Cessna, which came down in woods about a mile away from the light aircraft.

[tikay]

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[gatso]

I have never - never ever - singled out Christie as a hero.

I plucked out of the air - fom a huge available sample - two names, Johnson & Chambers, because those two were foremost in my mind. Christie was close behind, as it happens.

"All the drug cheats" then, is that better? Can you defend them all?

Johnson is no less guilty - at all - because others did the same. But he won the Olympic 100 metres, the "Blue Riband" (arguably), & happened, therefore, to be foremost in my mind.

Really, I'm sorry, but I can't find any room for sympathy for Johnson - (& all the other cheats !) - at all.

Johnson has always been the one singled out for shame precisely for the reason he was foremost in your mind, he won the event.

however he was in a dirty sport, it is highly likely that everyone at the top of the sport at that time was dirty. the drugs would have been taken with the knowledge of the team officials. it is those who were in charge of the sport at the time who should be disgraced imo, not the athletes who were to an extent merely pawns in the game.

Chambers is a different case entirely, his offences were committed in a sport that by that point had largely cleaned itself up

[tikay]

I have never - never ever - singled out Christie as a hero.

I plucked out of the air - fom a huge available sample - two names, Johnson & Chambers, because those two were foremost in my mind. Christie was close behind, as it happens.

"All the drug cheats" then, is that better? Can you defend them all?

Johnson is no less guilty - at all - because others did the same. But he won the Olympic 100 metres, the "Blue Riband" (arguably), & happened, therefore, to be foremost in my mind.

Really, I'm sorry, but I can't find any room for sympathy for Johnson - (& all the other cheats !) - at all.

Johnson has always been the one singled out for shame precisely for the reason he was foremost in your mind, he won the event.

however he was in a dirty sport, it is highly likely that everyone at the top of the sport at that time was dirty. the drugs would have been taken with the knowledge of the team officials. it is those who were in charge of the sport at the time who should be disgraced imo, not the athletes who were to an extent merely pawns in the game.

Chambers is a different case entirely, his offences were committed in a sport that by that point had largely cleaned itself up

Well, if the Team Officials were involved, shame on them, too. But it does not get the athletes themselves off the hook. Cheating is cheating, & they are all grown ups, & know the Rules.

I'm struggling to understand why you should be so troubled by me calling Johnson a cheat. He was.......! Any mitigation he may have does not affect the facts.

He won't be invited to my Home Game, & that's that.

[Dingdell]

I have never - never ever - singled out Christie as a hero.

I plucked out of the air - fom a huge available sample - two names, Johnson & Chambers, because those two were foremost in my mind. Christie was close behind, as it happens.

"All the drug cheats" then, is that better? Can you defend them all?

Johnson is no less guilty - at all - because others did the same. But he won the Olympic 100 metres, the "Blue Riband" (arguably), & happened, therefore, to be foremost in my mind.

Really, I'm sorry, but I can't find any room for sympathy for Johnson - (& all the other cheats !) - at all.

Johnson has always been the one singled out for shame precisely for the reason he was foremost in your mind, he won the event.

however he was in a dirty sport, it is highly likely that everyone at the top of the sport at that time was dirty. the drugs would have been taken with the knowledge of the team officials. it is those who were in charge of the sport at the time who should be disgraced imo, not the athletes who were to an extent merely pawns in the game.

Chambers is a different case entirely, his offences were committed in a sport that by that point had largely cleaned itself up

Well, if the Team Officials were involved, shame on them, too. But it does not get the athletes themselves off the hook. Cheating is cheating, & they are all grown ups, & know the Rules.

I'm struggling to understand why you should be so troubled by me calling Johnson a cheat. He was.......! Any mitigation he may have does not affect the facts.

He won't be invited to my Home Game, & that's that.

You have a home game? Photos or it didn't happen.

[tikay]

I have never - never ever - singled out Christie as a hero.

I plucked out of the air - fom a huge available sample - two names, Johnson & Chambers, because those two were foremost in my mind. Christie was close behind, as it happens.

"All the drug cheats" then, is that better? Can you defend them all?

Johnson is no less guilty - at all - because others did the same. But he won the Olympic 100 metres, the "Blue Riband" (arguably), & happened, therefore, to be foremost in my mind.

Really, I'm sorry, but I can't find any room for sympathy for Johnson - (& all the other cheats !) - at all.

Johnson has always been the one singled out for shame precisely for the reason he was foremost in your mind, he won the event.

however he was in a dirty sport, it is highly likely that everyone at the top of the sport at that time was dirty. the drugs would have been taken with the knowledge of the team officials. it is those who were in charge of the sport at the time who should be disgraced imo, not the athletes who were to an extent merely pawns in the game.

Chambers is a different case entirely, his offences were committed in a sport that by that point had largely cleaned itself up

Well I'm delighted we agree on that!

[Claw75]

He won't be invited to my Home Game, & that's that.

can I come?

[Dingdell]

He won't be invited to my Home Game, & that's that.

can I come?

Queue starts here......Dingdell, Claw75, ........can we organise times and dates please Tikay - Claw needs to sort out a babysitter and I need to pick myself up off the floor....

[Claw75]

He won't be invited to my Home Game, & that's that.

can I come?

Queue starts here......Dingdell, Claw75, ........can we organise times and dates please Tikay - Claw needs to sort out a babysitter and I need to pick myself up off the floor....

I'm sure the monkey can look after himself for one night

[Dingdell]

He won't be invited to my Home Game, & that's that.

can I come?

Queue starts here......Dingdell, Claw75, ........can we organise times and dates please Tikay - Claw needs to sort out a babysitter and I need to pick myself up off the floor....

I'm sure the monkey can look after himself for one night

He isn't coming?? To the home game of the year??? I'll add him to the list; Dingdell, Claw75, Monkey, ....