Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[GreekStein]

There's a fair bit of Lenny McLean footage on youtube, including his fights with Roy Shaw.

My favourite being this clip of a fight between him and mad Gypsy Bradshaw. gg Bradshaw.

[Chompy]

Pretty Boy Shaw, before he lost his looks. (On the left as we look)

How did he know Drain Alien?

[Dingdell]

I find it all fascinating, I went through a stage of reading all the gangster autobiographies but it's a kind of morbid fascination. I hate the idea of liking someone who can order the death of a human being as easily as he can order a drink, but I find the culture fascinating, I also like the idea of 'family' and loking out for each other, but again when they have to they kill each other.

I can't understand the mindset of it all.

[pokefast]

There's a fair bit of Lenny McLean footage on youtube, including his fights with Roy Shaw.

My favourite being this clip of a fight between him and mad Gypsy Bradshaw. gg Bradshaw.

 

[pokefast]

I find it all fascinating, I went through a stage of reading all the gangster autobiographies but it's a kind of morbid fascination. I hate the idea of liking someone who can order the death of a human being as easily as he can order a drink, but I find the culture fascinating, I also like the idea of 'family' and loking out for each other, but again when they have to they kill each other.

I can't understand the mindset of it all.

Yeah i love all this kind of stuff too,guess its the rebel in me!

[tikay]

There's a fair bit of Lenny McLean footage on youtube, including his fights with Roy Shaw.

My favourite being this clip of a fight between him and mad Gypsy Bradshaw. gg Bradshaw.

Lol, bad idea that pre-fight head-butt imo.

[luther101]

Tikay - as you're so obsessed with gangsters - I suggest you read up on the Adams Family (not Herman, Morticia et al).

They've made the Krays/Richardsons look like amateurs when it comes to organised crime, since the late 80s

The Law very rarely get a case through against them (tax evasion ffs), and their 'Empire' would have The Twins drooling.

They run the Charlie trade for the whole south of England (and further probably), have 'interests' in many clubs (incl The Ministry of Sound), and have been behind countless Gangland murders.

Most people have never heard of them (even though they've been top of the pile for over 20 years) - that's the difference between them and the Krays     ......      'Celebrity Villains' get nicked, and banged up!

[pokefast]

Yes the Adams family are good at their 'work' and not to be messed with.

[tikay]

How do you stand on Lenny Mclean Tikay?

And his famous fight(s) with Roy Shaw?

Lenny = Proper Legend, THE best of his kind. He was a wonderful bloke. By trade he "minded doors".

I think he was genuinely, the hardest man in Brotain, by any standard. And a good man too, believe it or not.

He was in LS&2SB. I'll bring some photo's of Lenny in from his book - it's a terrific read, really.

I think he fought Shaw twice, or was it 3 times? I can't recall, but it as a very big thing at the time.

Yes Lenny's is one of my favourite books that i own ( and i own thousands all autobiographies and true crime ) he came across as a hard but very fair man. Imagine trying to get away with some of his antics today!.

Died too young.

Wonderful - another one who scans the "True Crime" shelves in the bookshops. 

I could read night & day, non-stop, but so many distractions these days - "I'm a Celeb, Get Me Out of Here", "Ant & Dec", "Britain's Got Talent", "Golden Shot".

[thetank]

Do they love their mums these Adamses?

[Karabiner]

One of the first places I played(donated) poker in London when I was around nineteen years old was The Mint Casino in Kilburn High Rd., which was above a Wimpey bar. The casino was originally owned by a bright young Jewish kid called Steve who I believe came from Brighton. The poker game was run by an old villain called Bill Manning who eventually owned or fronted the Casino as it became "Manning's Mint" for a while. One of the dealers in that poker game was a young guy known as "Chinese Willie" or Willie Tann to give him his correct name.

Later on the poker game was run by a guy called Billy Falco and to a lesser extent his younger brother Mickey. I guess they must be related to the Falco you mentioned earlier.

[GreekStein]

How do you stand on Lenny Mclean Tikay?

And his famous fight(s) with Roy Shaw?

Lenny = Proper Legend, THE best of his kind. He was a wonderful bloke. By trade he "minded doors".

I think he was genuinely, the hardest man in Brotain, by any standard. And a good man too, believe it or not.

He was in LS&2SB. I'll bring some photo's of Lenny in from his book - it's a terrific read, really.

I think he fought Shaw twice, or was it 3 times? I can't recall, but it as a very big thing at the time.

Yes Lenny's is one of my favourite books that i own ( and i own thousands all autobiographies and true crime ) he came across as a hard but very fair man. Imagine trying to get away with some of his antics today!.

Died too young.

Wonderful - another one who scans the "True Crime" shelves in the bookshops. 

I could read night & day, non-stop, but so many distractions these days - "I'm a Celeb, Get Me Out of Here", "Ant & Dec", "Britain's Got Talent", "Golden Shot".

lol.

I'm getting better at this.

[tikay]

Tikay - as you're so obsessed with gangsters - I suggest you read up on the Adams Family (not Herman, Morticia et al).

They've made the Krays/Richardsons look like amateurs when it comes to organised crime, since the late 80s

The Law very rarely get a case through against them (tax evasion ffs), and their 'Empire' would have The Twins drooling.

They run the Charlie trade for the whole south of England (and further probably), have 'interests' in many clubs (incl The Ministry of Sound), and have been behind countless Gangland murders.

Most people have never heard of them (even though they've been top of the pile for over 20 years) - that's the difference between them and the Krays     ......      'Celebrity Villains' get nicked, and banged up!

Thanks Litherin,

I have never heard of them!

I'll get on the case right away, & go buy some books. Where are the Adams based?

[pokefast]

How do you stand on Lenny Mclean Tikay?

And his famous fight(s) with Roy Shaw?

Lenny = Proper Legend, THE best of his kind. He was a wonderful bloke. By trade he "minded doors".

I think he was genuinely, the hardest man in Brotain, by any standard. And a good man too, believe it or not.

He was in LS&2SB. I'll bring some photo's of Lenny in from his book - it's a terrific read, really.

I think he fought Shaw twice, or was it 3 times? I can't recall, but it as a very big thing at the time.

Yes Lenny's is one of my favourite books that i own ( and i own thousands all autobiographies and true crime ) he came across as a hard but very fair man. Imagine trying to get away with some of his antics today!.

Died too young.

Wonderful - another one who scans the "True Crime" shelves in the bookshops.  

I could read night & day, non-stop, but so many distractions these days - "I'm a Celeb, Get Me Out of Here", "Ant & Dec", "Britain's Got Talent", "Golden Shot".

Sure do its the first section i ever visit at a bookstore,or online.

Reading Escape from the Bangkok Hilton by David McMillan at the moment,having just finished Mad,bad and dangerous to know by Sir Ranulph Fiennes ( not a gangster i know but certainly imo as interesting. )

[EvilPie]

How do you stand on Lenny Mclean Tikay?

And his famous fight(s) with Roy Shaw?

Lenny = Proper Legend, THE best of his kind. He was a wonderful bloke. By trade he "minded doors".

I think he was genuinely, the hardest man in Brotain, by any standard. And a good man too, believe it or not.

He was in LS&2SB. I'll bring some photo's of Lenny in from his book - it's a terrific read, really.

I think he fought Shaw twice, or was it 3 times? I can't recall, but it as a very big thing at the time.

I really can't believe how you moan about people nicking the odd hundred quid and yet you seem to think these criminals are such great people? It just doesn't make sense. Meh, that's one for opinion and could be discussed pointlessly for weeks with no outcome.

As for being hard. Well yes he was very tough but I'm pretty sure that in his prime if you put him up against an athlete in a boxing ring he'd get battered inside of a minute. Totally different class between this guy and a professional boxer in terms of fighting.

I think it's funny that he fought Shaw 3 times and yet according to their respective books both of them 'never got beat'.

Wow!! 3 draws. Amazing.