Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[Skippy]

Why all the love for Tesco?

Scumbag company. Hope they rot in Hades.

why?

I'd also like to know why to this. I have always been a big advocate of Tesco (lately they have not seemed as great) so intrigued why they could cause so much Camel hate.

"Tesco-Hate" is the modern thing, Dave. There's no rhyme or reason to it, apart from the fact they are so successful. Some spotty kid probably said it on 2+2, & hey presto, off you go, it must be true.

If you think that Tesco hate is purely a result of their success, you are off your rocker.

Here are some Tesco complaints (note that I'm not saying that I agree with all of these, and some of them are general supermarket hate of which Tesco carries the can because it is currently the largest):

• Is it really healthy for one store to control so much of the UK economy?
• Their near-monopoly buying power allows them to squeeze their suppliers until they bleed (and frequently expire), whilst when supplying food they can use their monopoly power to overcharge the customers. Supermarkets have a tremendously negative effects on the farming economy.
• Speaking of their effect on the food industry, they have a tremendous effect on the national diet. They generally use their power to push the products that make them the most profit, not which is best for you.
• They have a great effect on the type of food produced. My Grandparents, who were farmers are full of tales of how their still farming friends have to deal with the demands of supermarket purchasing departments staffed by university graduates who don't know a carrot from a cauliflower. Crops are bred for that which is most profitable for the supermarket, not those which are the best for the consumer, or best for the farmer.
• They own huge land banks that stifle retail competion, buying every bit of land that could even possibly become a supermarket.
• They open stores that kill off local stores thereby depriving the area of local owned and operated shops. Tesco can afford to give food away for free for 2 years, until their competiton folds, then surprise- their prices go up. Many places protest against new Tesco stores, fearing the effect they will have on their high street.
• Tesco using their large army of planning lawyers can still build out of town superstores, killing off city centres.

etc.

[DaveShoelace]

Why all the love for Tesco?

Scumbag company. Hope they rot in Hades.

why?

I'd also like to know why to this. I have always been a big advocate of Tesco (lately they have not seemed as great) so intrigued why they could cause so much Camel hate.

"Tesco-Hate" is the modern thing, Dave. There's no rhyme or reason to it, apart from the fact they are so successful. Some spotty kid probably said it on 2+2, & hey presto, off you go, it must be true.

If you think that Tesco hate is purely a result of their success, you are off your rocker.

Here are some Tesco complaints (note that I'm not saying that I agree with all of these, and some of them are general supermarket hate of which Tesco carries the can because it is currently the largest):

• Is it really healthy for one store to control so much of the UK economy?
• Their near-monopoly buying power allows them to squeeze their suppliers until they bleed (and frequently expire), whilst when supplying food they can use their monopoly power to overcharge the customers. Supermarkets have a tremendously negative effects on the farming economy.
• Speaking of their effect on the food industry, they have a tremendous effect on the national diet. They generally use their power to push the products that make them the most profit, not which is best for you.
• They have a great effect on the type of food produced. My Grandparents, who were farmers are full of tales of how their still farming friends have to deal with the demands of supermarket purchasing departments staffed by university graduates who don't know a carrot from a cauliflower. Crops are bred for that which is most profitable for the supermarket, not those which are the best for the consumer, or best for the farmer.
• They own huge land banks that stifle retail competion, buying every bit of land that could even possibly become a supermarket.
• They open stores that kill off local stores thereby depriving the area of local owned and operated shops. Tesco can afford to give food away for free for 2 years, until their competiton folds, then surprise- their prices go up. Many places protest against new Tesco stores, fearing the effect they will have on their high street.
• Tesco using their large army of planning lawyers can still build out of town superstores, killing off city centres.

etc.

Isn't every example you just gave an example of their success?

[tikay]

Why all the love for Tesco?

Scumbag company. Hope they rot in Hades.

why?

I'd also like to know why to this. I have always been a big advocate of Tesco (lately they have not seemed as great) so intrigued why they could cause so much Camel hate.

"Tesco-Hate" is the modern thing, Dave. There's no rhyme or reason to it, apart from the fact they are so successful. Some spotty kid probably said it on 2+2, & hey presto, off you go, it must be true.

If you think that Tesco hate is purely a result of their success, you are off your rocker.

Here are some Tesco complaints (note that I'm not saying that I agree with all of these, and some of them are general supermarket hate of which Tesco carries the can because it is currently the largest):

• Is it really healthy for one store to control so much of the UK economy?
• Their near-monopoly buying power allows them to squeeze their suppliers until they bleed (and frequently expire), whilst when supplying food they can use their monopoly power to overcharge the customers. Supermarkets have a tremendously negative effects on the farming economy.
• Speaking of their effect on the food industry, they have a tremendous effect on the national diet. They generally use their power to push the products that make them the most profit, not which is best for you.
• They have a great effect on the type of food produced. My Grandparents, who were farmers are full of tales of how their still farming friends have to deal with the demands of supermarket purchasing departments staffed by university graduates who don't know a carrot from a cauliflower. Crops are bred for that which is most profitable for the supermarket, not those which are the best for the consumer, or best for the farmer.
• They own huge land banks that stifle retail competion, buying every bit of land that could even possibly become a supermarket.
• They open stores that kill off local stores thereby depriving the area of local owned and operated shops. Tesco can afford to give food away for free for 2 years, until their competiton folds, then surprise- their prices go up. Many places protest against new Tesco stores, fearing the effect they will have on their high street.
• Tesco using their large army of planning lawyers can still build out of town superstores, killing off city centres.

etc.

Fascinating stuff, & with your farming connections, I can see why you feel so strongly.

However, although we are never going to have a meeting of minds here, I have to say it seems, to me, illogical. You are really saying "I hate the most successful Supermarket chain", which is a different thing completely.

20 years ago, that was Sainsburys, who had the biggest market share of the UK Grocery market. Today, becsause Tesco run their business so much better - we must assume that, as the proof is in the facts - they dominate the UK Market, see.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supermarket_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom

So, if Sainsburys had run their business better, & still had the biggest market-share - let's say 30% - you would presumably hate Sainsburys, rather than Tesco?

I think this Gentleman sums up the anti-Tesco brigade - which someone on this very Diary denied the existence of a few days ago.....

Hating Tesco

http://www.frankfuredi.com/index.php/site/article/455/

Finally, skolsuper mentioned the double page anti-Tesco rant in The Times last week.

Well I do not have that to hand, damn my memory, it's at home - but I read the articles with great interest, & even by British journalistic standards, it was a shockingly biased piece of propoganda.

It had three articles in total.

1) The lead article, unashamedly & illogically Tesco-bashing, because of their "disastrous" Xmas trading period. "Disastrous"? L4L sales down 2%. Good job they have not done a piece on Ladbrokes poker then. Sales in the USA, by the bye, were up 20%, but lets not allow facts to get in the way of a good story.

2) The first of two sidebars.

This was by Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall, who has been on the case of Tesco for years becaue he believes passionately in organic farming, especially as to chicken production.

See....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029878/Tesco-shareholders-finally-kill-TV-chefs-bid-make-eat-organic-chicken-kitchen-rival-tells-shut-up.html

3) The other sidebar.

This was a right mauling of Tescos, all the usual hate stuff. It was penned by a young lady - sorry, I don't have her name to hand, but I'll Post it later - who, in the byline, was acknowledged as the authoress of a Book called (something like) "Why British Supermarkets are bad for you".

Unbiased reporting ftw. I mean really, you can't make this stuff up.

Well I'm sorry, but I'm struggling to see the logic in all this Tesco hating, just as I struggle to see why punters so frequently hate bookies, or drivers hate traffic wardens, or half the population diss the Constabulary.

We are SO far apart, M Skippy, but I have to be honest. Still, we can reasonably agree on one part of you Post....

"....you are off your rocker...."

Yup, you got me there. 1-0.

[MereNovice]

Why all the love for Tesco?

Scumbag company. Hope they rot in Hades.

why?

I'd also like to know why to this. I have always been a big advocate of Tesco (lately they have not seemed as great) so intrigued why they could cause so much Camel hate.

"Tesco-Hate" is the modern thing, Dave. There's no rhyme or reason to it, apart from the fact they are so successful. Some spotty kid probably said it on 2+2, & hey presto, off you go, it must be true.

If you think that Tesco hate is purely a result of their success, you are off your rocker.

Here are some Tesco complaints (note that I'm not saying that I agree with all of these, and some of them are general supermarket hate of which Tesco carries the can because it is currently the largest):

• Is it really healthy for one store to control so much of the UK economy?
• Their near-monopoly buying power allows them to squeeze their suppliers until they bleed (and frequently expire), whilst when supplying food they can use their monopoly power to overcharge the customers. Supermarkets have a tremendously negative effects on the farming economy.
• Speaking of their effect on the food industry, they have a tremendous effect on the national diet. They generally use their power to push the products that make them the most profit, not which is best for you.
• They have a great effect on the type of food produced. My Grandparents, who were farmers are full of tales of how their still farming friends have to deal with the demands of supermarket purchasing departments staffed by university graduates who don't know a carrot from a cauliflower. Crops are bred for that which is most profitable for the supermarket, not those which are the best for the consumer, or best for the farmer.
• They own huge land banks that stifle retail competion, buying every bit of land that could even possibly become a supermarket.
• They open stores that kill off local stores thereby depriving the area of local owned and operated shops. Tesco can afford to give food away for free for 2 years, until their competiton folds, then surprise- their prices go up. Many places protest against new Tesco stores, fearing the effect they will have on their high street.
• Tesco using their large army of planning lawyers can still build out of town superstores, killing off city centres.

etc.

Fascinating stuff, & with your farming connections, I can see why you feel so strongly.

However, although we are never going to have a meeting of minds here, I have to say it seems, to me, illogical. You are really saying "I hate the most successful Supermarket chain", which is a different thing completely.

20 years ago, that was Sainsburys, who had the biggest market share of the UK Grocery market. Today, becsause Tesco run their business so much better - we must assume that, as the proof is in the facts - they dominate the UK Market, see.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supermarket_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom

So, if Sainsburys had run their business better, & still had the biggest market-share - let's say 30% - you would presumably hate Sainsburys, rather than Tesco?

I think this Gentleman sums up the anti-Tesco brigade - which someone on this very Diary denied the existence of a few days ago.....

Hating Tesco

http://www.frankfuredi.com/index.php/site/article/455/

Finally, skolsuper mentioned the double page anti-Tesco rant in The Times last week.

Well I do not have that to hand, damn my memory, it's at home - but I read the articles with great interest, & even by British journalistic standards, it was a shockingly biased piece of propoganda.

It had three articles in total.

1) The lead article, unashamedly & illogically Tesco-bashing, because of their "disastrous" Xmas trading period. "Disastrous"? L4L sales down 2%. Good job they have not done a piece on Ladbrokes poker then. Sales in the USA, by the bye, were up 20%, but lets not allow facts to get in the way of a good story.

2) The first of two sidebars.

This was by Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall, who has been on the case of Tesco for years becaue he believes passionately in organic farming, especially as to chicken production.

See....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029878/Tesco-shareholders-finally-kill-TV-chefs-bid-make-eat-organic-chicken-kitchen-rival-tells-shut-up.html

3) The other sidebar.

This was a right mauling of Tescos, all the usual hate stuff. It was penned by a young lady - sorry, I don't have her name to hand, but I'll Post it later - who, in the byline, was acknowledged as the authoress of a Book called (something like) "Why British Supermarkets are bad for you".

Unbiased reporting ftw. I mean really, you can't make this stuff up.

Well I'm sorry, but I'm struggling to see the logic in all this Tesco hating, just as I struggle to see why punters so frequently hate bookies, or drivers hate traffic wardens, or half the population diss the Constabulary.

We are SO far apart, M Skippy, but I have to be honest. Still, we can reasonably agree on one part of you Post....

"....you are off your rocker...."

Yup, you got me there. 1-0.

Some people judge success and appeal by more than balance sheets and market share. I may have missed something (or several things) but your stated admiration for several companies and individuals on this thread recently seems to be justified wholly by the amount of money they make for their shareholders.
I would have thought that equitable treatment of suppliers, staff and customers would be a far more satisfying legacy.
I'm sure that there are many profitable individuals and companies that you despise so using profitability as the sole justification for your admiration in these cases seems odd to me.

[the sicilian]

According to my sources, camels get bad tempered if you allow them to become sexually frustrated.

Poor Keith...

[tikay]

Why all the love for Tesco?

Scumbag company. Hope they rot in Hades.

why?

I'd also like to know why to this. I have always been a big advocate of Tesco (lately they have not seemed as great) so intrigued why they could cause so much Camel hate.

"Tesco-Hate" is the modern thing, Dave. There's no rhyme or reason to it, apart from the fact they are so successful. Some spotty kid probably said it on 2+2, & hey presto, off you go, it must be true.

If you think that Tesco hate is purely a result of their success, you are off your rocker.

Here are some Tesco complaints (note that I'm not saying that I agree with all of these, and some of them are general supermarket hate of which Tesco carries the can because it is currently the largest):

• Is it really healthy for one store to control so much of the UK economy?
• Their near-monopoly buying power allows them to squeeze their suppliers until they bleed (and frequently expire), whilst when supplying food they can use their monopoly power to overcharge the customers. Supermarkets have a tremendously negative effects on the farming economy.
• Speaking of their effect on the food industry, they have a tremendous effect on the national diet. They generally use their power to push the products that make them the most profit, not which is best for you.
• They have a great effect on the type of food produced. My Grandparents, who were farmers are full of tales of how their still farming friends have to deal with the demands of supermarket purchasing departments staffed by university graduates who don't know a carrot from a cauliflower. Crops are bred for that which is most profitable for the supermarket, not those which are the best for the consumer, or best for the farmer.
• They own huge land banks that stifle retail competion, buying every bit of land that could even possibly become a supermarket.
• They open stores that kill off local stores thereby depriving the area of local owned and operated shops. Tesco can afford to give food away for free for 2 years, until their competiton folds, then surprise- their prices go up. Many places protest against new Tesco stores, fearing the effect they will have on their high street.
• Tesco using their large army of planning lawyers can still build out of town superstores, killing off city centres.

etc.

Fascinating stuff, & with your farming connections, I can see why you feel so strongly.

However, although we are never going to have a meeting of minds here, I have to say it seems, to me, illogical. You are really saying "I hate the most successful Supermarket chain", which is a different thing completely.

20 years ago, that was Sainsburys, who had the biggest market share of the UK Grocery market. Today, becsause Tesco run their business so much better - we must assume that, as the proof is in the facts - they dominate the UK Market, see.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supermarket_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom

So, if Sainsburys had run their business better, & still had the biggest market-share - let's say 30% - you would presumably hate Sainsburys, rather than Tesco?

I think this Gentleman sums up the anti-Tesco brigade - which someone on this very Diary denied the existence of a few days ago.....

Hating Tesco

http://www.frankfuredi.com/index.php/site/article/455/

Finally, skolsuper mentioned the double page anti-Tesco rant in The Times last week.

Well I do not have that to hand, damn my memory, it's at home - but I read the articles with great interest, & even by British journalistic standards, it was a shockingly biased piece of propoganda.

It had three articles in total.

1) The lead article, unashamedly & illogically Tesco-bashing, because of their "disastrous" Xmas trading period. "Disastrous"? L4L sales down 2%. Good job they have not done a piece on Ladbrokes poker then. Sales in the USA, by the bye, were up 20%, but lets not allow facts to get in the way of a good story.

2) The first of two sidebars.

This was by Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall, who has been on the case of Tesco for years becaue he believes passionately in organic farming, especially as to chicken production.

See....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1029878/Tesco-shareholders-finally-kill-TV-chefs-bid-make-eat-organic-chicken-kitchen-rival-tells-shut-up.html

3) The other sidebar.

This was a right mauling of Tescos, all the usual hate stuff. It was penned by a young lady - sorry, I don't have her name to hand, but I'll Post it later - who, in the byline, was acknowledged as the authoress of a Book called (something like) "Why British Supermarkets are bad for you".

Unbiased reporting ftw. I mean really, you can't make this stuff up.

Well I'm sorry, but I'm struggling to see the logic in all this Tesco hating, just as I struggle to see why punters so frequently hate bookies, or drivers hate traffic wardens, or half the population diss the Constabulary.

We are SO far apart, M Skippy, but I have to be honest. Still, we can reasonably agree on one part of you Post....

"....you are off your rocker...."

Yup, you got me there. 1-0.

Some people judge success and appeal by more than balance sheets and market share. I may have missed something (or several things) but your stated admiration for several companies and individuals on this thread recently seems to be justified wholly by the amount of money they make for their shareholders.
I would have thought that equitable treatment of suppliers, staff and customers would be a far more satisfying legacy.
I'm sure that there are many profitable individuals and companies that you despise so using profitability as the sole justification for your admiration in these cases seems odd to me.

Not denied.

I look at businesses as a retired businessman, & so I like to see businesses which are successful, & well run. I try to keep emotion out of it, it's just sheer respect, or lack of, for a job well done.

I also look at businesses with the same gusto, verve & enthuisiasm that other people view poker, or Tennis Betting, when they Post their hand Histories etc. In my case, I have the same passion for business, & balance sheets, though I try not to bore others with the endless nitty gritty detail. In my case, I back my judgement by buying shares, & have done for over 30 years now, & I have invested considerable sums in the market. Thats just as much a legit passion to me as poker or, say, Tennis betting, is to others.

I cannot, off the top of my head, think of any successful busineses that I despise, but maybe there are a few. "Despise" is not a natural mindset to me, & the whole "I hate Tesco" thing completely whooshes me. Its probably best left there, the meeting of minds will never occur.

[tikay]

David - thank you for the PM, & yes, I'd rather the photo-mentoring moved across to here, please, I feel I am hijacking Tom's admittedly otherwise insipid Journal.

I'll study that photo Blog later & reply accordingly.

Rememer you from DTD? Of course. Handsome, grey beard jobbie, late sixties?......

[RED-DOG]

David - thank you for the PM, & yes, I'd rather the photo-mentoring moved across to here, please, I feel I am hijacking Tom's admittedly otherwise insipid Journal.

Translation: If you stay here, you wont see how good it is over there.

[Doobs]

Couldn't agree more tony! I was involved in the construction of riverside retail park in Norwich which involved fortnightly 8am meetings (I lived in twickenham). The meetings finished at 2, on a Friday, when I then enjoyed the delights of the m25 on the way home! Ug!

It is the town that never arrives. Another hour passes and it always feels like you have an hour to go!

Here's the Norwich Union - sorry, AVIVA - Head Office, in Norwich.

I like Aviva, they pay my bills!

That is not actually the Aviva head office, their head offices are in York, lovely building it is too.

I used to work there during the 'Quote Me Happy' era, hated the job but they were a very good employer, good benefits n that. They also had a free coffee machine that dispensed this lovely chocomilk stuff.

The head office is actually in London.   They run the uk life office from York?

[tikay]

David attempted to help me with these photos......

"Canon 300D 18-55 at widest"



"18-55 max zoom"



"75-300 at widest



"75-300 at maximum"

[RED-DOG]

Do you really not get it yet?

Shall I ring you and explain while you're looking at the page?

[tikay]

Do you really not get it yet?

Shall I ring you and explain while you're looking at the page?

Ring me in 10, please, I'm about to get in the car.

Got to put my coat on first, though, obviously.

[david3103]

David - thank you for the PM, & yes, I'd rather the photo-mentoring moved across to here, please, I feel I am hijacking Tom's admittedly otherwise insipid Journal.

I'll study that photo Blog later & reply accordingly.

Rememer you from DTD? Of course.

• Handsome,
• grey beard jobbie, [ ] late sixties?......

fyp

 

[RED-DOG]

Do you really not get it yet?

Shall I ring you and explain while you're looking at the page?

Ring me in 10, please, I'm about to get in the car.

Got to put my coat on first, though, obviously.

That's no good. You need to be looking at the pics.

[tikay]

David - thank you for the PM, & yes, I'd rather the photo-mentoring moved across to here, please, I feel I am hijacking Tom's admittedly otherwise insipid Journal.

I'll study that photo Blog later & reply accordingly.

Rememer you from DTD? Of course.

• Handsome,
• grey beard jobbie, [ ] late sixties?......

fyp

 

FWIW, I also remermber your terrific analogy. "DTD is to playing poker, what St Andrews is to playing golf".

Excellent analogyage.