Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[Dingdell]

Ah - my specialist subject -  germ transference.

I carry wipes everywhere and use tissues to open the loo doors. Stayed in a hotel yesterday where I'm pretty sure I was dirtier after having a bath than before.

The worry is what we can't see. Everytime you fush your loo at home without closing the lid lots of particles come up in the vapour and land on the bath, walls, surfaces and toothbrushes. I rest my case.

Well, I'm out of my depth here, against an expert on the subject, (Female automatically means "expert" of course), but though I can see your point clearly, I can't see the evidence which proves we are more unhealthy because of these arguably dubious practices. I've not spent my life majoring on or worrying about hygiene issues, & I've mixed with all sorts in betting offices & poker venues & filthy Golf Locker Rooms, but I worked for 39 years straight without a single days sick leave.

Did you stay in the Feltham Travelodge (usually sparkingly clean) or the St Giles, which is a Listed, Grade One, Fleapit?

I stayed at the Feltham Travelodge with the lecherous reception man who wanted to show me to my room. I declined. So I half slept/stayed awake with the bin against the door in a room where the bathroom smelt like pee. The banging fire door help keep me awake as did the banging couple next door. But it was dry, warm and free and ensured I was on time for my appointment so I can't complain.

The St Giles looked nice from the outside....

For the record - nothing wrong with dirt - it's healthy - but we absorb it enough without putting it in our mouths everytime we eat food at the casino without washing our hands first.

I'm not a clean freak - but I do have to keep my clients safe - so I wash after being to any casino!!

[RED-DOG]

When I was in Egypt, I was warned not to allow the waters of the Nile to make contact with my skin. I'm sure it was good advice.

I watched the natives relieve themselves in it, drink from it, swim in it, and cook with it. It didn't bother them at all, they were immune.

[Bainn]

When I was in Egypt, I was warned not to allow the waters of the Nile to make contact with my skin. I'm sure it was good advice.

I watched the natives relieve themselves in it, drink from it, swim in it, and cook with it. It didn't bother them at all, they were immune.

I am the same with Harmony's cooking..........

[Claw75]

Played live last weekend, caught a horrendous cold, enough said.

I've had a stinking cold since two days after playing in Walthamstow the other week.  I've pretty much been a hermit the last few weeks apart from going out to play poker, so I'm pretty sure I picked it up in a card room

[Claw75]

On the subject of germs, clenliness etc, I remember after having my daughter being told that every bottle, feeding utensil etc needed to be sterlised until she was one, and any water used to make up formula, or just to drink on it's own, needed to be boiled.  A bit of digging around on the internet showed though that we're pretty much the only country that follows these practices. I do wonder how good it actually is for kids to keep them 'protected' from germs from such a young age, not giving them the opportunity to build up immunity.  I was pretty lax when it came to sterilisation, and my daughter is very rarely ill, yet I know some kids of a similar age who's parents made sure nothing unsterilised got near their babies (including one mother would would not even cut open a carton of ready-made formula without first sterlising the scissors!), and they're forever catching colds.

[Rod Paradise]

On the subject of germs, clenliness etc, I remember after having my daughter being told that every bottle, feeding utensil etc needed to be sterlised until she was one, and any water used to make up formula, or just to drink on it's own, needed to be boiled.  A bit of digging around on the internet showed though that we're pretty much the only country that follows these practices. I do wonder how good it actually is for kids to keep them 'protected' from germs from such a young age, not giving them the opportunity to build up immunity.  I was pretty lax when it came to sterilisation, and my daughter is very rarely ill, yet I know some kids of a similar age who's parents made sure nothing unsterilised got near their babies (including one mother would would not even cut open a carton of ready-made formula without first sterlising the scissors!), and they're forever catching colds.

Claire when I was a kid we'd neighbours who were paranoid about their baby getting germs - they were not allowed into baby's room when one of  them was ill & even as a toddler I wasn't allowed round to see him if I'd a snotty nose (most of the time). The boy eventually went to nursery and nearly died, catching everything at once after the immunity which comes from mother's milk & from her blood in the womb was all used up.

[Karabiner]

Ah - my specialist subject -  germ transference.

I carry wipes everywhere and use tissues to open the loo doors. Stayed in a hotel yesterday where I'm pretty sure I was dirtier after having a bath than before.

The worry is what we can't see. Everytime you fush your loo at home without closing the lid lots of particles come up in the vapour and land on the bath, walls, surfaces and toothbrushes. I rest my case.

Keeping toothbrushes in the bathroom is disgusting.

Seperate loos and bathrooms are obviously way better.

In which case keeping one's toothbrush in the loo would be a little odd..

[byronkincaid]

why do so many mothers not feed their babies breast milik?

[TightEnd]

why do so many mothers not feed their babies breast milik?

some can't. My own children's mother for example.

[kinboshi]

On the subject of germs, clenliness etc, I remember after having my daughter being told that every bottle, feeding utensil etc needed to be sterlised until she was one, and any water used to make up formula, or just to drink on it's own, needed to be boiled.  A bit of digging around on the internet showed though that we're pretty much the only country that follows these practices. I do wonder how good it actually is for kids to keep them 'protected' from germs from such a young age, not giving them the opportunity to build up immunity.  I was pretty lax when it came to sterilisation, and my daughter is very rarely ill, yet I know some kids of a similar age who's parents made sure nothing unsterilised got near their babies (including one mother would would not even cut open a carton of ready-made formula without first sterlising the scissors!), and they're forever catching colds.

Claire when I was a kid we'd neighbours who were paranoid about their baby getting germs - they were not allowed into baby's room when one of  them was ill & even as a toddler I wasn't allowed round to see him if I'd a snotty nose (most of the time). The boy eventually went to nursery and nearly died, catching everything at once after the immunity which comes from mother's milk & from her blood in the womb was all used up.

The Japanese are very anal about this sort of thing.  But the children always seem to have runny noses and coughs. 

I blame cow's milk, but that's another debate altogether.

[Claw75]

why do so many mothers not feed their babies breast milik?

I think most do nowadays if they can.  Sterlising the nipples is a painful process though.

[bobby1]

Next daft question.

In Tournament Poker, when both or all players are all-in, we have to turn our cards face up on the table. It's pretty much, so far as I know, a Universal Poker Rule, one of the few which is consistent everywhere, certainly in Europe.

In Cash Games, we have no such obligation. Again, Universally observed, no question, so far as I am aware.

Why is that? What makes one so very different to the other?

I don't know why, but i do disagree with it, i think if you are all in then the cards should be on there backs, regardless of tournament or cash game.

A view we both share, then.

I'm really interested in why the difference, though. It also intrigues me how come poker players - & we are, collectively - geeky, argumentative & prepared to challenge the most basic of concepts - readily accept these mysteries without question.

When I was a youngster, I used to work in a Betting Shop on a Saturday, & mark up the prices & Results on the white-board or "sheets". Even then, I was "awkward" & inquisitive to life's anomolies & oddities, and any horse or dog which was quoted or returned at 6/4 I used to write on the sheet/board as 3/2. Folks would say "hey, that's wrong, it's 6/4", (!) which is of course exactly & precisely the same thing, & we always use the lowest common denominator in SP's. Imagine a 2/1 shot being called 4/2, or a 9/4 shot being written as 18/8!

Except when it's 3/2, in which case they call it 6/4. Explain THAT!

The sp system and in fact the prices commonly used in betting make no sense at all. If you were inventing the system now and said  we are gonna use 11/8 which is is 2.38 instead of using 7/5 which is 2.4 you would be laughed at. Why use 15/8 instead of 19/10?, or 13/8 instead of 8/5?

When I did footy for Hills we did a big customer poll during one of the quiet summers and found that the thing that put most new football punters off is that the prices all look complicated. We decided to use easily devisable prices instead and to the experienced punter 17/20 21/20 19/20 and the prices above where like gobbledegook but to new and inexperienced punters its easier to work out 20 quid at 17/20 than 20 quid at 5/6, how about 10 quid at 7/5 or 10 quid at 11/8?

These were predictably poo pooed by the experienced people as change usually is but the smaller and importantly newer customers liked them a lot and the feed back was very good.

In their current and century old acceptable form they are daft.

[bobby1]

I could accept the actual transfer rates aren't that high.  But the perceived rate certainly is.  The guy who urinates over the back of his hand and then handles all the cards/chips may just as well come on over and wipe his knob in my burger.  The appeal is roughly the same.

Simon, I think I have eaten at this establishment before.

[tikay]

OK, some poker, then I'll answer Simon Galloway's question, then I'm gonna have a nap. I'm in Luton (Days Inn), & I plan to play the Luton-G £75 Freeze tonight, Compo's gracing us with his presence, as Mrs Compo is away.

Loved the debate on here yesterday & today, but I better talk poker for a bit.

My "luck pendulum" is swinging violently, & I've had extremes of luck in the last week, twice winning very handy sums, & twice losing the same.

For the first time in months - my first free day really (insecurity washes over me when I have no work to do) - I just played the $250 Laddies Jobbie, that has such a playable structure, 3k chips & 15 min blinds, suits me down to the ground. It started at 2.30, & I was out before 2.45......

Serial Raiser made it 50 at 25-50, I called OOP with  , we got another customer round the back, & we saw this rather pretty flop.....

 

Lovely, & the plan is to C-R him all-in - I may even get looked up, as (I think) it looks like I'm on the straight or flush draw.

It all went to plan, I check, he bets 800, I shove, & he insta-calls. And he has the one hand I don't really wanna see -  !

The J rivered, no complaints at all, but I think the hand plays itself.

Still, I played well - very well, for the first 7 minutes. (Passed every hand - it's only when I play hands I get busted).

[bobby1]

Played live last weekend, caught a horrendous cold, enough said.

Ah well, I concede. Pee Germs cause colds, it's a well-known fact.....

You probably caught a cold because players sneeze & cough left right & centre without using a handkerchief or turning their heads away, which, to my mind, is the height of ill-manners. And that DOES cause cough & cold transference. Fact.

It's the youngsters wots to blame, of course. And to save Kinboshi Posting, yes, it's Ageism again.

On a constant logical thinking curve here but when you enter a gents there is usually a sign on the wll saying 'now please wash your hands'.

Your hands have been exposed to allsorts of germs and dirt thru the day and your penis has been tucked away in your pants after you showered all warm and away from germs and dirt(usually), so after touching your clean area with your dirty hands you now have to wash your dirty hands and not the old man??

The sign should day' Now please wash your privates'

When I use the gents I wash my hands before and after.