Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[tikay]

Id like to know how the Mad Turk managed to get that deal in the 3 way chop. Unbelievable

Hi Craig,

Stuart & myself took £2,400 each, & Turk took £4,800, all figures approx. Turk offered the Deal to Suart, I sat out of the discussion, as I always do, I was not fussed if we did a Deal or not, & was just delighted with a nice Cash.

Turk had about 70% of the Chips in play, 3 handed. Stuart had 60,000, I had 45,000, blinds were about to go 3k-6k.

Turk said to Stuart "I'll take a bit off the top, but you have to split 2nd & 3rd equally with tikay, or there's no Deal".

A bit unfair on Stuart in some ways, but as I said, I never involve myself in these discussions, as they usually become so ill-tempered. But Turk & Stuart agreed it all amiably, & I was happy with £2,400. Very. Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

I agree with greed being a bad thing but when the 1st prize is 5,300 I dont think you are being greedy if you tell him to play on rather than give anyone 4,900 without playing another hand. Especially when 3rd prize was just short of 2 grand

Well played though and nice result

I don't think greed is a bad thing. If it's agreed amicably, and it looked like it might, then I see no reason why Turk shouldn't aim high. Tournament poker is judged on how much money you take home in my eyes and by nature, could be seen as a greedy game.

Yes, that's the correct view, but it's not my criteria at all. My criteria is based on how much fun I get per £.

[I KNOW IT]

Id like to know how the Mad Turk managed to get that deal in the 3 way chop. Unbelievable

Hi Craig,

Stuart & myself took £2,400 each, & Turk took £4,800, all figures approx. Turk offered the Deal to Suart, I sat out of the discussion, as I always do, I was not fussed if we did a Deal or not, & was just delighted with a nice Cash.

Turk had about 70% of the Chips in play, 3 handed. Stuart had 60,000, I had 45,000, blinds were about to go 3k-6k.

Turk said to Stuart "I'll take a bit off the top, but you have to split 2nd & 3rd equally with tikay, or there's no Deal".

A bit unfair on Stuart in some ways, but as I said, I never involve myself in these discussions, as they usually become so ill-tempered. But Turk & Stuart agreed it all amiably, & I was happy with £2,400. Very. Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

I agree with greed being a bad thing but when the 1st prize is 5,300 I dont think you are being greedy if you tell him to play on rather than give anyone 4,900 without playing another hand. Especially when 3rd prize was just short of 2 grand

Well played though and nice result

I don't think greed is a bad think. If it's agreed amicably, and it looked like it might, then I see no reason why Turk shouldn't aim high. Tournament poker is judged on how much money you take home in my eyes and by nature, could be seen as a greedy game.

Of cause, but I would find it very hard to give anyone just shy of 1st prize without playing another hand when Id already locked up a nice payday .
.If i had got nearly 2k locked up then Im not giving up the chance of winning an extra 3k for recieving 400 quid and stopping play
 I dont consider it being greedy by playing on and it isnt classed as arguing by refusing any deal

[Dry em]

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

In life, maybe, but it's situation dependant. When making deals, sure some people will push for more than what might seem their "fair share" and others will prefer not to do a deal at all. It is not always greed that is the reason for this, and deals are usually not going to suit everyone equally. Do you remember that tournament we finalled together at the Western? Very small tournament, I think only top 4 paid. With 5 of us left, you were very short and Mick Cook I think suggested a saver off the top for 5th, which I politely refused, seeing the little money that was in the prize pool anyways. I fast became public enemy number 1 with Mick telling me "I will never do a deal with you again ever" (damn) and you telling me "you're young, when you're older you'll learn". Which at the time I think I told you I found very patronising (and I still do) although I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way. You promptly made a Lazerus style comeback and I busted 5th for no money. I'm sure lots of comments about greed were made when I had left....

Similar situation for James in Newcastle - he refused a deal 3 handed and then came 3rd - but I can assure you greed had nothing to do with that either and it was absolutely the right decision from him at the time.

[tikay]

Well done on the cash tikay. Seems you like walsall remember last time i played with you there u cashed then also. So are you guna come to your lucky venue for the midlands masters?

I've always run pretty well there, especially in that £300.

I remember sharing that Final Table with you a while back, (might be the last time I played the £300) yes, of course I do. You were in Seat 9/10, (adjacent the Dealer) & Stuart was in Seat 1. I was in 7 or 8. Stuart gave you a rub-down or two, so you played that incredibly delicious bluff on him, & then showed it, & he got a curly lip. Takes himself very seriously does Stuart, & his poker, & wears all the branded gear, rarely smiles at the Table, & gets whooshed rergularly. But underneath, he's a decent guy, & we got on very well eventually. He's an Accountant I would think.

Midland Masters - do you mean Midland Meltdown?  I'll answer proiperly later, but "maybe".

Times have changed, I don't play too many Main Events these days, for time reasons mostly, work-related. And I get a bit tetchy at Tourneys that start late, & Tourney breaks that over-run, it's wasting my time, & I don't have enough to waste. I love Walsall, & the Staff there especially, I've known them a good few years. But we know - we know - that when we play Walsall - that they will start their Tourneys late every time, & the Breaks will over-run big-time. I have DTD 10 minuteds ftom my Home, & it makes no sense for me to drive 90 minutes to Walsall, take the trouble to get there 30 minutes early, then wait an hour for Events to get started. It's the grossest insult to paying Customers to persistently start Events very late. In my opinion, that is.

Phew, went off on one there, eh?

OK, later. I'm doing the Show tonight, Make-Up & Wardrobe are panicking, they need plenty of time with me they reckon.

[tikay]

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

In life, maybe, but it's situation dependant. When making deals, sure some people will push for more than what might seem their "fair share" and others will prefer not to do a deal at all. It is not always greed that is the reason for this, and deals are usually not going to suit everyone equally. Do you remember that tournament we finalled together at the Western? Very small tournament, I think only top 4 paid. With 5 of us left, you were very short and Mick Cook I think suggested a saver off the top for 5th, which I politely refused, seeing the little money that was in the prize pool anyways. I fast became public enemy number 1 with Mick telling me "I will never do a deal with you again ever" (damn) and you telling me "you're young, when you're older you'll learn". Which at the time I think I told you I found very patronising (and I still do) although I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way. You promptly made a Lazerus style comeback and I busted 5th for no money. I'm sure lots of comments about greed were made when I had left....

Similar situation for James in Newcastle - he refused a deal 3 handed and then came 3rd - but I can assure you greed had nothing to do with that either and it was absolutely the right decision from him at the time.

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

I have explained that badly, eirther that or it's being badly misinterpreted.

But I was not referring to it in the sense you may think.

I have to dash now, will reply properly later.

And I do remember every second of that Tourney at The Western, & your belief that my comment was "patronising". It was, of course, nothing of the sort, it was just badly said, &/or badly heard. I very much regret that that "Deal talk" became acrimonious that day - another reason why I never, ever ever ever, get into those discussions nowadays. I actually thought - at the time - your attitude was rather "superior", but I was wrong - I've come to know you better, respect you a lot, & admire you greatly.

Anyway, more later, I gotta go do some work now.

Delighted you have, at last, Posted on my Diary, & I'm actually quite flattered. Keep it coming, please, & Congrats on all the success you have had in the last year or so.

I have, I admit, the most eccentric of views on deals & the arguments that usually accompany them, & I've found my own solution, which I'm 100% happy with. Each to their own, & I respect your view & approach 100%. It's your job, & you should. It's my receration, as it is with most blondes, so getting uppity is not appropriate, & is lifestyle negative.

I'm gonna regret Posting this, because I've worded much of it badly, as I'm pushed for time. Oh bugger it......

[Flea]

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

In life, maybe, but it's situation dependant. When making deals, sure some people will push for more than what might seem their "fair share" and others will prefer not to do a deal at all. It is not always greed that is the reason for this, and deals are usually not going to suit everyone equally. Do you remember that tournament we finalled together at the Western? Very small tournament, I think only top 4 paid. With 5 of us left, you were very short and Mick Cook I think suggested a saver off the top for 5th, which I politely refused, seeing the little money that was in the prize pool anyways. I fast became public enemy number 1 with Mick telling me "I will never do a deal with you again ever" (damn) and you telling me "you're young, when you're older you'll learn". Which at the time I think I told you I found very patronising (and I still do) although I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way. You promptly made a Lazerus style comeback and I busted 5th for no money. I'm sure lots of comments about greed were made when I had left....

Similar situation for James in Newcastle - he refused a deal 3 handed and then came 3rd - but I can assure you greed had nothing to do with that either and it was absolutely the right decision from him at the time.

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

I have explained that badly, eirther that or it's being badly misinterpreted.

But I was not referring to it in the sense you may think.

I have to dash now, will reply properly later.

And I do remember every second of that Tourney at The Western, & your belief that my comment was "patronising". It was, of course, nothing of the sort, it was just badly said, &/or badly heard. I very much regret that that "Deal talk" became acrimonious that day - another reason why I never, ever ever ever, get into those discussions nowadays. I actually thought - at the time - your attitude was rather "superior", but I was wrong - I've come to know you better, respect you a lot, & admire you greatly.

Anyway, more later, I gotta go do some work now.

Delighted you have, at last, Posted on my Diary, & I'm actually quite flattered. Keep it coming, please, & Congrats on all the success you have had in the last year or so.

I have, I admit, the most eccentric of views on deals & the arguments that usually accompany them, & I've found my own solution, which I'm 100% happy with. Each to their own, & I respect your view & approach 100%. It's your job, & you should. It's my receration, as it is with most blondes, so getting uppity is not appropriate, & is lifestyle negative.

I'm gonna regret Posting this, because I've worded much of it badly, as I'm pushed for time. Oh bugger it......

   I agree and don't think that's eccentric at all - each to their own and all that but players who play for enjoyment (unless they are kidding themselves of the true reason for playing) surely are happy with any fair deal - but equally because you are playing for enjoyment any deal made needs to be stress/tension free.

[Dry em]

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

In life, maybe, but it's situation dependant. When making deals, sure some people will push for more than what might seem their "fair share" and others will prefer not to do a deal at all. It is not always greed that is the reason for this, and deals are usually not going to suit everyone equally. Do you remember that tournament we finalled together at the Western? Very small tournament, I think only top 4 paid. With 5 of us left, you were very short and Mick Cook I think suggested a saver off the top for 5th, which I politely refused, seeing the little money that was in the prize pool anyways. I fast became public enemy number 1 with Mick telling me "I will never do a deal with you again ever" (damn) and you telling me "you're young, when you're older you'll learn". Which at the time I think I told you I found very patronising (and I still do) although I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way. You promptly made a Lazerus style comeback and I busted 5th for no money. I'm sure lots of comments about greed were made when I had left....

Similar situation for James in Newcastle - he refused a deal 3 handed and then came 3rd - but I can assure you greed had nothing to do with that either and it was absolutely the right decision from him at the time.

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

I have explained that badly, eirther that or it's being badly misinterpreted.

But I was not referring to it in the sense you may think.

I have to dash now, will reply properly later.

And I do remember every second of that Tourney at The Western, & your belief that my comment was "patronising". It was, of course, nothing of the sort, it was just badly said, &/or badly heard. I very much regret that that "Deal talk" became acrimonious that day - another reason why I never, ever ever ever, get into those discussions nowadays. I actually thought - at the time - your attitude was rather "superior", but I was wrong - I've come to know you better, respect you a lot, & admire you greatly.

Anyway, more later, I gotta go do some work now.

Delighted you have, at last, Posted on my Diary, & I'm actually quite flattered. Keep it coming, please, & Congrats on all the success you have had in the last year or so.

I have, I admit, the most eccentric of views on deals & the arguments that usually accompany them, & I've found my own solution, which I'm 100% happy with. Each to their own, & I respect your view & approach 100%. It's your job, & you should. It's my receration, as it is with most blondes, so getting uppity is not appropriate, & is lifestyle negative.

I'm gonna regret Posting this, because I've worded much of it badly, as I'm pushed for time. Oh bugger it......

I guess that's the nature of the beast - anyone who refuses a deal is likely to be seen in that light by the other players. At the time the sole reasons were (1) small prizepool anyways and (2) one player had a very short stack. Unfortunately that day that was you

You seem to have a similar mindset to Mickey and that's obviously proved very successful for you both. Mickey's reaction in Newcastle when James was saying he's going to play for the win was very funny

[snoopy1239]

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

In life, maybe, but it's situation dependant. When making deals, sure some people will push for more than what might seem their "fair share" and others will prefer not to do a deal at all. It is not always greed that is the reason for this, and deals are usually not going to suit everyone equally. Do you remember that tournament we finalled together at the Western? Very small tournament, I think only top 4 paid. With 5 of us left, you were very short and Mick Cook I think suggested a saver off the top for 5th, which I politely refused, seeing the little money that was in the prize pool anyways. I fast became public enemy number 1 with Mick telling me "I will never do a deal with you again ever" (damn) and you telling me "you're young, when you're older you'll learn". Which at the time I think I told you I found very patronising (and I still do) although I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way. You promptly made a Lazerus style comeback and I busted 5th for no money. I'm sure lots of comments about greed were made when I had left....

Similar situation for James in Newcastle - he refused a deal 3 handed and then came 3rd - but I can assure you greed had nothing to do with that either and it was absolutely the right decision from him at the time.

Greed is a bad thing, & it bites.

I have explained that badly, eirther that or it's being badly misinterpreted.

But I was not referring to it in the sense you may think.

I have to dash now, will reply properly later.

And I do remember every second of that Tourney at The Western, & your belief that my comment was "patronising". It was, of course, nothing of the sort, it was just badly said, &/or badly heard. I very much regret that that "Deal talk" became acrimonious that day - another reason why I never, ever ever ever, get into those discussions nowadays. I actually thought - at the time - your attitude was rather "superior", but I was wrong - I've come to know you better, respect you a lot, & admire you greatly.

Anyway, more later, I gotta go do some work now.

Delighted you have, at last, Posted on my Diary, & I'm actually quite flattered. Keep it coming, please, & Congrats on all the success you have had in the last year or so.

I have, I admit, the most eccentric of views on deals & the arguments that usually accompany them, & I've found my own solution, which I'm 100% happy with. Each to their own, & I respect your view & approach 100%. It's your job, & you should. It's my receration, as it is with most blondes, so getting uppity is not appropriate, & is lifestyle negative.

I'm gonna regret Posting this, because I've worded much of it badly, as I'm pushed for time. Oh bugger it......

I guess that's the nature of the beast - anyone who refuses a deal is likely to be seen in that light by the other players. At the time the sole reasons were (1) small prizepool anyways and (2) one player had a very short stack. Unfortunately that day that was you

You seem to have a similar mindset to Mickey and that's obviously proved very successful for you both. Mickey's reaction in Newcastle when James was saying he's going to play for the win was very funny

What was his reaction?

[Dry em]

disbelief

[Snatiramas]

no not that trevor.

the apropriately named trevor payne & thats exactly what he felt last night....

Oh

bad play tikay. Unlucky Trevor.

 

Now playing in my first live tourney since the bash was mega......made so welcome it was lovely. Then some old bloke comes and sits at my table having arrived lae. Biggest fish I have ever seen and really quite insulting especially to a sensitive big bloke at the table wearing a big Blonde t shirt but more of that on Friday. So much self justification after this hand it was wincingly painful to listen to. The squirming only stopped when hemoved table. Big thanks to all me mates at the G it was great to see you all.......next appearing live at the Forum challenge in Blackpool........

[Jon MW]

Courtesy of Gordon Gecko and Adam Smith 

[The_nun]

next appearing live at the Forum challenge in Blackpool........

Can't wait.

[Newmanseye]

Courtesy of Gordon Gecko and Adam Smith 

Its on tonight, awesome film!   FACT

[Karabiner]

I'm a little surprised that you didn't do a rough calculation of what a "DTD style" deal would have worked out at before accepting the deal Tony, but as you say £2400 is a very nice touch whatever.

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: TightEnd

Seems a good deal for 1st, an ok deal for 3rd and a bit dodgy for 2nd in the chip counts..but a nice cash whatever the finer points.

There's no doubt the deal making process is an extension of the poker game itself. Unsurprising really that the guy ending up with the worst deal is the one with the least experience.

Posted by: tikay

A bit unfair on Stuart in some ways, but as I said, I never involve myself in these discussions, as they usually become so ill-tempered.

No doubt the poker heart is still beating here. I would also stay out of discussions if discussions were going my way.