hatton v mayweather

[AdamM]

it's only half a stone

If thats the case why did Hatton go back to light-welter after the Collazo fight when all the "big" fights were at welter?  I think mentally it may be telling if not physically, there may be a nagging doubt in Hattons mind that he is not as effectrive at welter.  Although they have admitted they will approach this fight differently, suggesting they got it wrong v Collazo.


Aside from this fight I was just looking at some of the upcoming matches in the next few months and there are some "proper fights" coming up which I'm really looking forward to seeing

I've talked about this before. boxers / commentators / fans talk about half a stone in weight as if it's a contributary factor in power. It's just not. I've been doing martial arts 14 years now and when I started I was 5'8" and 9.5 st Im now 11.5 st (and still 5'8") and I've always trained with much taller and heavier people. obviously bigger guys TEND to be stronger but a stone either way doesn't make any difference to how hard you hit.

The only difference putting on extra weight might make to boxers is that they're having to move a greater weight around so might tire quicker. if a light welterweight were to bulk up to light middle, you'd expect them to tire out quicker. they wouldn't punch any harder though.

[Nem]

it's only half a stone

If thats the case why did Hatton go back to light-welter after the Collazo fight when all the "big" fights were at welter?  I think mentally it may be telling if not physically, there may be a nagging doubt in Hattons mind that he is not as effectrive at welter.  Although they have admitted they will approach this fight differently, suggesting they got it wrong v Collazo.


Aside from this fight I was just looking at some of the upcoming matches in the next few months and there are some "proper fights" coming up which I'm really looking forward to seeing

I've talked about this before. boxers / commentators / fans talk about half a stone in weight as if it's a contributary factor in power. It's just not. I've been doing martial arts 14 years now and when I started I was 5'8" and 9.5 st Im now 11.5 st (and still 5'8") and I've always trained with much taller and heavier people. obviously bigger guys TEND to be stronger but a stone either way doesn't make any difference to how hard you hit.

The only difference putting on extra weight might make to boxers is that they're having to move a greater weight around so might tire quicker. if a light welterweight were to bulk up to light middle, you'd expect them to tire out quicker. they wouldn't punch any harder though.

At the pinnacle of a sport, small margins mean a lot more...

[AdamM]

very true, but half a stone difference in weight and a difference in power are not related.
difference in power between light welterweight and Middle weight will be marginal but a noticable factor.

[kinboshi]

Also worth noting that Hatton is big for a light-welter weight.  That fight he had at the higher weight wasn't a good one but this wasn't necessarily due to the step up in weight, but could be down to his preparation (which hasn't always been perfect in the fights he doesn't see as 'massive') and to the sort of fighter Collazo is.

[Bazzaboy]

Cracking interview with Billy Graham on the fight here

http://www.manchesterboxers.com/index.php?topic=297.0

[kinboshi]

Cracking interview with Billy Graham on the fight here

http://www.manchesterboxers.com/index.php?topic=297.0

Good find

Love this bit:

BG: “Good! Floyd spends his career disrespecting people. I think he's a great fighter and I won't disrespect him but he disrespects people all the time. If it took him seeing his arse a bit to lose his temper and get him in the ring then I'm happy Ricky did that.

“Like him or loathe him Floyd is a man and he will fight to prove that to everyone. Floyd may act like a tosser but he is a man and he is a fighter and he'll have to prove it against Ricky.”

[AdamM]

thanks bazza, great read

[kinboshi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6928430.stm

[Pelham Boy]

Anyone thinking of making the trip over?

[Kaiser Soze]

it's only half a stone

If thats the case why did Hatton go back to light-welter after the Collazo fight when all the "big" fights were at welter?  I think mentally it may be telling if not physically, there may be a nagging doubt in Hattons mind that he is not as effectrive at welter.  Although they have admitted they will approach this fight differently, suggesting they got it wrong v Collazo.


Aside from this fight I was just looking at some of the upcoming matches in the next few months and there are some "proper fights" coming up which I'm really looking forward to seeing

I've talked about this before. boxers / commentators / fans talk about half a stone in weight as if it's a contributary factor in power. It's just not. I've been doing martial arts 14 years now and when I started I was 5'8" and 9.5 st Im now 11.5 st (and still 5'8") and I've always trained with much taller and heavier people. obviously bigger guys TEND to be stronger but a stone either way doesn't make any difference to how hard you hit.

The only difference putting on extra weight might make to boxers is that they're having to move a greater weight around so might tire quicker. if a light welterweight were to bulk up to light middle, you'd expect them to tire out quicker. they wouldn't punch any harder though.

I've read a good few of your posts Adam, and I know you know what you're talking about in this respect. But isn't the weight factor more to do with how you absorb the punch from your opponent rather than the power of your dig at the heavier weight? Proportional transfer of momentum etc?

[kinboshi]

Anyone thinking of making the trip over?

Would love to.  Might have to get playing some serious poker to fund the trip.

[Kaiser Soze]

Anyone thinking of making the trip over?

Would love to.  Might have to get playing some serious poker to fund the trip.

I envy you guys. I'm trying to organise some time to get to Moortown one night in the next month!

[AdamM]

I've read a good few of your posts Adam, and I know you know what you're talking about in this respect. But isn't the weight factor more to do with how you absorb the punch from your opponent rather than the power of your dig at the heavier weight? Proportional transfer of momentum etc?

possibly. that's the first time I've heard the idea. it's certainly not what boxing pundits are talking about when they talk about weight advantages but I suppose it might be a factor. upper body movement foot work and conditioning would be bigger factor in punch resilience i would think.

in regards to this fight, it's been said that Mayweather is a natural light weight and Hatton a natural light welter weight so if it were a factor (which I don't think it is), it'd be in Hattons favour. the rest is off topic and would probably be better talked about in the general fighting thread I started that's slipped down a bit.
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=20685.0

[Woodsey]

Anyone thinking of making the trip over?

The main event of the Five Diamond classic starts on the 13th, so the week before when ricky is fighting (8th) they will have all the lead up events $1-5k. Something to aim for if I get a decent score maybe?

[kinboshi]

I've read a good few of your posts Adam, and I know you know what you're talking about in this respect. But isn't the weight factor more to do with how you absorb the punch from your opponent rather than the power of your dig at the heavier weight? Proportional transfer of momentum etc?

possibly. that's the first time I've heard the idea. it's certainly not what boxing pundits are talking about when they talk about weight advantages but I suppose it might be a factor. upper body movement foot work and conditioning would be bigger factor in punch resilience i would think.

in regards to this fight, it's been said that Mayweather is a natural light weight and Hatton a natural light welter weight so if it were a factor (which I don't think it is), it'd be in Hattons favour. the rest is off topic and would probably be better talked about in the general fighting thread I started that's slipped down a bit.
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=20685.0

The converse is definitely true - a fighter who struggles to lose weight to meet a weight limit can often have poor punch resilience, and this if often due to dehydration or poor nutrition before the fight.  So, I guess moving up a weight could add some punch resilience as well.

So for Hatton, moving up to welterweight would be an advantage in this aspect.