SAW 4

[bolt pp]

It sounds to me that you are saying that it was the usual crap plot, character developments, etc, but had enough sadism to keep fans entertained

perfectly surmised, if anything it was excessively convoluted, i know they have to make up for the fact that the main dude is dead and they tried to do that with an intricate storyline and twist at the end similar to that of the first one but it just doesn't work plus there arnt any cool new sick devices really to compensate, watchable but worst one yet! most of it superfluous, but as long as they're turning a profit they'll probably keep on churning them out. 

[snoopy1239]

It sounds to me that you are saying that it was the usual crap plot, character developments, etc, but had enough sadism to keep fans entertained

perfectly surmised, if anything it was excessively convoluted, i know they have to make up for the fact that the main dude is dead and they tried to do that with an intricate storyline and twist at the end similar to that of the first one but it just doesn't work plus there arnt any cool new sick devices really to compensate, watchable but worst one yet! most of it superfluous, but as long as they're turning a profit they'll probably keep on churning them out. 

Is that annoying woman still in it? Amanda, I think her name was. She was a crap baddie.

[TheChipPrince]

It sounds to me that you are saying that it was the usual crap plot, character developments, etc, but had enough sadism to keep fans entertained

perfectly surmised, if anything it was excessively convoluted, i know they have to make up for the fact that the main dude is dead and they tried to do that with an intricate storyline and twist at the end similar to that of the first one but it just doesn't work plus there arnt any cool new sick devices really to compensate, watchable but worst one yet! most of it superfluous, but as long as they're turning a profit they'll probably keep on churning them out. 

Is that annoying woman still in it? Amanda, I think her name was. She was a crap baddie.

No, dead as a dodo, 2 flashbacks only i think...

[snoopy1239]

It sounds to me that you are saying that it was the usual crap plot, character developments, etc, but had enough sadism to keep fans entertained

perfectly surmised, if anything it was excessively convoluted, i know they have to make up for the fact that the main dude is dead and they tried to do that with an intricate storyline and twist at the end similar to that of the first one but it just doesn't work plus there arnt any cool new sick devices really to compensate, watchable but worst one yet! most of it superfluous, but as long as they're turning a profit they'll probably keep on churning them out. 

Is that annoying woman still in it? Amanda, I think her name was. She was a crap baddie.

No, dead as a dodo, 2 flashbacks only i think...

Well, that's worth an extra star already. She sucked big time.

[snoopy1239]

I'm no Barry Norman, but let's give this a shot.

Saw Saw 4 last week after seeing Saw 2 and Saw 3 before I saw Saw 4... on the sea shore. The bottom line is that, well, it's more of the same really and doesn't really add anything to its predecessors. Whilst the first one had originality, tension, character development and a little mystery, this one continues the theme of the other sequels that 'more is more', when I really think 'less is more' in these situations.

In the right hands, rather than Beavis and Butthead, these films should have been one of the best collection of horror films ever made, but instead, we're arrived at a 4th installment which is almost a parody of the Saw film itself, and sometimes even manages to verge on comedy. A case example is the opening scene and the Braindead-esque (such an apt word) use of gore. Whilst you'll probably want to vomit into your popcorn on first showing, you'll be laughing about the ludicrousy of it all on the way home rather than having any unwanted nightmares.

It's clear to me that the writers have just been told by some big wig somewhere, "make lots of traps", and whilst this is entertaining for a while (I personally like the one where one is blind, the other unable to speak), it soon becomes rather tedious as the traps aren't particularly innovative anymore and there seems to be one around every corner. At least the victims of these devices are worthy this time though. Last time it was a depressed nurse and a poor fella unable to get over the death of his son (yes, great choice Jigsaw - punish them!), but now we're back to drug dealers, rapists, and so on, so at least there's a return of logic somewhere in the film.

What is probably the saving grace, and I'm not usually a great advocater of over-exposing the villain, are the Jigsaw flashbacks, which prove to be the most successful scenes, (1) because Tobin is the only good actor in the film and still manages to make the character interesting with that slight sense of 'he can flip at any given moment' and (2) it's the only time the film slows down, tries to add some depth to the narrative and actually avoid the nonsensical. The most intriguing thing about these scenes, is that it actually enables you to sympathise with the Jigsaw character, making him more likable than the other characters. That in itself is bizarre seeing that he is the antagonist and likes to send people to hell and back, but at least it's intriguing.

Whilst there are numerous other flaws with the film - the stupid camera effects that make the film hard to follow, too many protaganists, the failure to successfully intertwine the other films into the story, two new coppers that look the same, the illogical decisions of characters, the dreary, unoriginal settings - this showing is still an improvement on the third and possibly hovering around the standard of the second, mainly because, amid all its faults, it still has enough appeal, shock value and morality (making the guy try to see what he sees is the most fascinating part) to entertain for 90 minutes. However, I think this might be the end. The well set-up, but 'we don't care' revealing of the accomplice is clearly hinting at a Saw 5 to follow next Halloween, but by that time, I'm almost certain that viewers will finally turn away if the writers just churn out the same old tosh once again. If they kept the story simple, held back on the gore a little and focused on just a couple of key characters, then they'd be in with a shot, but somehow, I just can't see this happening.

I give it 3 stars. 1 for Tobin, 1 for at least making the effort to push this further than the usual dumb teen slasher, 0.5 for traps and 0.5 for baps. Hold on, there weren't any baps.. Okay, gonna have to give it 2.5. What I expected, can't complain.

[TheChipPrince]

SAW 5 out on friday!!!!      

[LeKnave]

SAW 5 out on friday!!!!      

awesome, tyty.

[FuglyBaz]

Cant wait. Apparently all the victims survive their traps this time? Will be interesting

[Girgy85]

Cant wait. Apparently all the victims survive their traps this time? Will be interesting

I will go see it first here in Oz and let u all know what happens!!!

[TheChipPrince]

Cant wait. Apparently all the victims survive their traps this time? Will be interesting

I will go see it first here in Oz and let u all know what happens!!!

Er, no you will not!!

[Girgy85]

Cant wait. Apparently all the victims survive their traps this time? Will be interesting

I will go see it first here in Oz and let u all know what happens!!!

Er, no you will not!!

Well if its shit il let u know then i will save you the time and money!! Im sure you will thank me for it later!!

[bolt pp]

Cant wait. Apparently all the victims survive their traps this time? Will be interesting

I will go see it first here in Oz and let u all know what happens!!!

Er, no you will not!!

Well if its shit il let u know then i will save you the time and money!! Im sure you will thank me for it later!!

it being the 5th one you could say it's the worst film ever and everyones gonna want to see for themselfs anyway.

[Girgy85]

Cant wait. Apparently all the victims survive their traps this time? Will be interesting

I will go see it first here in Oz and let u all know what happens!!!

Er, no you will not!!

Well if its shit il let u know then i will save you the time and money!! Im sure you will thank me for it later!!

it being the 5th one you could say it's the worst film ever and everyones gonna want to see for themselfs anyway.

Could wait and rent on DVD!

[TheChipPrince]

Indeed, you could tell me its the sh*ttest film in the world and i'd still go. But everytime they bring a new one out 50% of me cant wait, 50% of thinks they should put it to bed because eventually it will become sh*t...

[FuglyBaz]

Indeed, you could tell me its the sh*ttest film in the world and i'd still go. But everytime they bring a new one out 50% of me cant wait, 50% of thinks they should put it to bed because eventually it will become sh*t...

+1 Apparently theyre contracted to do Saw VI. Hopefully it'll be put to bed. They should learn from Hostel I think.