Is it true?

[celtic]

That in online poker any action pre flop determines the flop and action on the flop in turn changes the turn and so on i.e if i check the flop the r n g would produce say  but if i bet the flop it would produce say  ?

thanks

vince

[Newmanseye]

ROFL  OMG are you Serious?

[celtic]

Am serious!!! also if you fold pre flop, say 93 and the flop comes 993 if you would have called the flop wouldnt have been 993.

[totalise]

yes its true, and its often an angst of mine.

Another thing that annoys me is that online they dont use a burn card, and sometimes when I have a big draw and miss, I cant help but wonder if it woulda got there if the e-dealer burned a card on the turn and the river as well. It clearly changes the outcome of the hand, and sometimes I sit feeling hard done by when I miss my outs deep in a tourney or lose a big pot in cash, thinking to myself "if only they had a burn card, I might well have won that pot"

The sooner they make online poker the same as live poker the better to remove all these simmering doubts!

[Pelham Boy]

Am serious!!! also if you fold pre flop, say 93 and the flop comes 993 if you would have called the flop wouldnt have been 993.

Never fold 93,its a monster!!

[turny]

Am serious!!! also if you fold pre flop, say 93 and the flop comes 993 if you would have called the flop wouldnt have been 993.

Never fold 93,its a monster!!

yeah just ask the monkey! 

[Claw75]

My understanding of it is that it's not necessariily to do with the action you take, but more the timing of your action.  All the remaining cards will continue to be randomly shuffled until the point they are dealt.  I might be wrong though.

[TheChipPrince]

Sounds like someone's missed one too many draws...

[matt674]

Am serious!!! also if you fold pre flop, say 93 and the flop comes 993 if you would have called the flop wouldnt have been 993.

Never fold 93,its a monster!!

yeah just ask the monkey! 

Only if its soooooted!!

[Graham C]

I was under the impression that the cards are continually shuffled until a move is made too.    Always makes me wonder if I hadn't have instacalled with those aces they'd have held up

I don't really think about it though, they come as they come, not much I can do about it.

93 sooted classic move

[ripple11]

My understanding of it is that it's not necessariily to do with the action you take, but more the timing of your action.  All the remaining cards will continue to be randomly shuffled until the point they are dealt.  I might be wrong though.

My understanding too!

[M3boy]

This is my biggest gripe with online poker.

The cards are "constantly" shuffled - ie there are lots of factors that determine what the next card will be.

IMO The cards should be shuffled pre deal and a burn card dealt (as in live poker) - The only problem with this is security, it would need to be very well protected, which is why i assume they use the system they do

[TightEnd]

My understanding of it is that it's not necessariily to do with the action you take, but more the timing of your action.  All the remaining cards will continue to be randomly shuffled until the point they are dealt.  I might be wrong though.

this is correct......

[AndrewT]

This is my biggest gripe with online poker.

The cards are "constantly" shuffled - ie there are lots of factors that determine what the next card will be.

IMO The cards should be shuffled pre deal and a burn card dealt (as in live poker) - The only problem with this is security, it would need to be very well protected, which is why i assume they use the system they do

I'd prefer that they weren't. If cards are pre-determined at the start of the hand, then it is theoretically possible to work out what future cards/other player's cards are.

Way back at the start of internet poker, someone cracked Planet Poker's shuffling algorithm. Once the flop was dealt, knowing the flop and his own cards allowed him to know what the other player's cards were and what the turn and river would be.

Security was then stepped up, and a longer random number was used (long enough that it couldn't be cracked in real time). Using player actions (which are not predetermined) to help make the shuffle adds in a truer element of randomness, as opposed to computer generated randomness (which is only really pseudo-random).

[jakally]

This is my biggest gripe with online poker.

The cards are "constantly" shuffled - ie there are lots of factors that determine what the next card will be.

Why do you consider that this is a problem?

Surely, as long as noone knows the card sequence, and it is random, it doesn't matter how it is arrived at.