Dealing Error..!!

[doubleup]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

I don't think that following a procedure that is inspired by laziness i.e. I can't be bothered to shuffle a pack, makes you reputable.

[Yogi-Bear]

The river should be shuffled back in.

Altho The TDA rules do not say that. But then again they likewise don't say use the 3rd card from the bottom either.

Using the 3rd card from the bottom is one of the most unfair rules Grosvenor use. Especially if someone is all in and sees his miracle card, come and then go because someone hasn't called, due to a dealing error. It causes an argument the majority of times it is used. People did try unsuccessfully to get it changed with the Grosvenor Rules Commitee. Unfortunately it is still around and the old mentality of "we are the market leaders everyone should follow us", rather than seeing the rule is unfair and changing it. Yes it means a little more work for the dealer but if it leads to a fairer game then what is the problem?

Yogi

[matt674]

Yes it means a little more work for the dealer

but as it was the dealers mistake in the first place it is only right that they atone by doing the extra - then maybe they will think again before making the same mistake

[AdamM]

If the rule is infair change it.

but for gods sake don't start a poll on it or you'll become a laughing stock

[matt674]

If the rule is infair change it.

but for gods sake don't start a poll on it or you'll become a laughing stock

[TheChipPrince]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

Surely any business should be looking to improve all the time even if they are the 'best'? And listen to its customers? No business/shop/casino/restaurant in the world is 100% perfectly run...

sounds like a 'were the best, we dont care' attitude to its customers!

[dik9]

To be fair on Phatomch, ALL CASINO CARDROOMS have the same mentality unfortunately.

[The_duke]

OK I have come to a decision and having weighed up all the arguments and dispassionately assembled them in my brain. As it is MY house I have made MY ruling which is in complete agreement with Bolt. I feel this will provide the correct motivation for any other person misfortunate to be dealt the dealer card............

crack the dealer round the head with your chair before saying: "you fucking donkey, where did you learn to deal? you deal another hand like that in this gaff and I'll cut your fingers off and feed em to the dog" then you all take turns booting him in the head.

[KarmaDope]

OK I have come to a decision and having weighed up all the arguments and dispassionately assembled them in my brain. As it is MY house I have made MY ruling which is in complete agreement with Bolt. I feel this will provide the correct motivation for any other person misfortunate to be dealt the dealer card............

crack the dealer round the head with your chair before saying: "you fucking donkey, where did you learn to deal? you deal another hand like that in this gaff and I'll cut your fingers off and feed em to the dog" then you all take turns booting him in the head.

I'm glad I don't deal at your place!

[portfolio]

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

Again, why should anyone follow? It should all be universal, why does Grosvenor think they can change a rule and everyone have to follow? Bite the bullet and Take LCI's example now guideline 3 is out of the way, and use TDA rules, forget the "we are the biggest chain in the UK" mentality and your rules committee, it is already done now. It is a perfect time for any casino in the UK to conform to TDA rules??

Having 21 cardrooms doesn't make you the most reputable either

nice to see an alternative viewpoint         all cardrooms have their foibles, some worse than others tho...........

[vinni]

this happend to me a couple of years ago in blackpool.
the card wasn't put back in the deck it was just left out and the third from the bottom was dealt.
it was also a 6 and i was all in with 66. sick.
a\s for the Grosvenor i must admit and stick up for the fat bloke ,they are getting over the teething problems
and t\aking things forward.

[Ironside]

The river card has to be replaced with the third card from the bottom and before it is shown the player has to make his decision weather to call or fold.

nope once the card has been shown it has to have the same chance to come up again otherwise the odds on making the call or fold change

thats where the grosvenor rules are wrong

Yes this is correct and Grovesnor should address this - they are 100% wrong in their procedure and Ironside gives the correct ruling in any reputable cardroom.

 

Hang on Grosvenor run the most reputable cardrooms in england. + ythe biggest poker tour we have 21 cardrooms why don't others follow us.

i didnt knock grosvenor there cardrooms there staff or there tour all are very good

however on this rule they are 100% right in there cardroom rules but 100% wrong in the eyes of fairness too all players

[AdamG]

alternate river, 

Player 1 Cries
Player 2 says "thats poker"

[phatomch]

i am not saying follow us because we are the best, I am saying that having 21 cardrooms already using the same rules is a very good start, ok LCI use the tda rules but they are only 4/5 cardrooms, stanleys use what ever they think will help the person they like the most at the the time and I am not sure about Gala.

So my point is that we have 21 established cardrooms using the same rules, we run more turnies/fessies than all the other's and we have the tour trying to join all the c/r's together. later this year we have the Linked National game coming up that will blow everyone away.

so why not use our rules as a starting point in gatting everyone using the same in England.

[AndrewT]

i am not saying follow us because we are the best, I am saying that having 21 cardrooms already using the same rules is a very good start, ok LCI use the tda rules but they are only 4/5 cardrooms, stanleys use what ever they think will help the person they like the most at the the time and I am not sure about Gala.

So my point is that we have 21 established cardrooms using the same rules, we run more turnies/fessies than all the other's and we have the tour trying to join all the c/r's together. later this year we have the Linked National game coming up that will blow everyone away.

so why not use our rules as a starting point in gatting everyone using the same in England.

But you're not suggesting using them as a starting point, you're suggesting using them as an ending point - everyone else using your rules.